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Trump supporters rally in Washington

by Lynde Langdon
Posted 11/16/20, 12:17 am

Chants of, “Four more years,” and, “Stop the steal,” rang out as protesters marched from Freedom Plaza to the Supreme Court in support of President Donald Trump on Saturday. Attendees cheered as the president’s motorcade drove by the demonstration on its way to Trump’s Virginia golf club. Pro-Trump rallies took place in cities across the country, including Delray Beach, Fla.; Lansing, Mich.; and Phoenix.

Did the protests remain peaceful? Police in Washington reported a few altercations between Trump supporters and anti-Trump protesters as night fell. They tried to keep the two sides separated, blocking pro-Trump demonstrators from entering Black Lives Matter plaza, where the president’s detractors frequently gather to demonstrate. City police said Sunday they had made at least two dozen arrests, including four people who left one man unconscious on the street. One stabbing victim received treatment for nonlife-threatening injuries, police added. Authorities are reviewing surveillance footage to track down more suspects.

Dig deeper: Read Kyle Ziemnick’s report in The Stew about the president’s legal challenges to election results in swing states.

Editor's note: WORLD has updated this report since its initial posting.


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Lynde Langdon

Lynde is a WORLD Digital's managing editor. She is a graduate of World Journalism Institute, the Missouri School of Journalism, and the University of Missouri-St. Louis. Lynde resides with her family in Wichita, Kansas. Follow Lynde on Twitter @lmlangdon.

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  • Cyborg3's picture
    Cyborg3
    Posted: Sun, 11/15/2020 03:58 am

    If you want see the AntiFa animals in action then see here. Watch the video and you will see a guy getting sucker punched who was doing nothing wrong. 

  • NEWS2ME
    Posted: Mon, 11/16/2020 12:10 pm

    The antifa had enormous signs that said to punch Trump supporters. 

    That isn't free speech, that is insighting violence. The police should have removed the signs.

  • Leeper
    Posted: Sun, 11/15/2020 11:16 am

    Yes I saw same thing on brietbart news. Violence was all one sided antifa and BLM  against Trump supporters including women, children and elderly.  

  • BLW
    Posted: Mon, 11/16/2020 09:50 am

    The World article is early in process, and indicates investigations are ongoing - but to be complete the violence should have been noted that as far as we have seen was all initiated by the anti-Trump mobs.  Firecrackers at the restaurant, the man sucker-punched uncounsious and stomped in the head, the woman with the stroller, the elderly woman with the flag and several others have been reported even by major media as being initiated by the counter-protestors (USA Today, Fox, among them).

  • BG
    Posted: Mon, 11/16/2020 11:51 am

    When do we get an update letting us know who the aggressors were? Without any background knowledge that BLM and Antifa have generally been the violent parties, if you just read this article you would assume that it was the Trump protesters.

  • NEWS2ME
    Posted: Mon, 11/16/2020 12:08 pm

    Where are the Biden supporters who usually comment here about the deplorable Trump supporters?

    There will be more of the same violence during Biden's "peaceful" reign.  

  • TIM MILLER
    Posted: Mon, 11/16/2020 01:15 pm

    I guess I'm a Biden supporter now, so I'll chime in.

    I deplore using violent means to achieve political ends. It's unAmerican. More importantly, it's unGodly.

    Whether that's punching a guy at a rally, throwing a brick through a shop window, trying to kidnap a governor, I'm opposed to it.

    The good thing is, in America, we have an alternative to using force to get our way. As a democratic republic, America offers all of its citizens the opportunity to persuade others, and then we cast ballots. Under Constitutional parameters, we then follow the results of that election. It's a beautiful system, far superior to violence. 

     

  • Narissara
    Posted: Mon, 11/16/2020 02:12 pm

    Unfortunately, when Biden and Harris make a run for a second term, they'll not likely to be interested in denouncing violence meant to intimidate their opponents' supporters.  

  • TIM MILLER
    Posted: Mon, 11/16/2020 04:25 pm

    Why do you say that?

  • Narissara
    Posted: Mon, 11/16/2020 05:10 pm

    All summer long, the rioting, stealing and looting was characterized as peaceful protests.  Trump's opponents responded in one of three ways:  turn a blind eye; defend it as an expression of free speech and the right to assemble; or blame it on Trump and his supporters.  Once they take office, they'll have the advantage.  If riots break out again to harrass and intimidate supporters of a challenger, what confidence should we have that they would behave any differently than they have this go round?  

  • not silent
    Posted: Tue, 11/17/2020 12:25 pm

    I guess I've viewed events a bit differently.  All summer long, we had rioting and protesting; and it's true that some of the loudest voices tried to characterize ALL actions done at ALL protests as "peaceful."  It's also true that some politicians turned a blind eye to the violence. 

    Mr. Trump was president the whole time all this violence was happening. I'm not saying he personally caused it, and I realize that his political opponents often got in the way.  However, it seems to me that Mr. Trump either could not or would not figure out how to work with his opponents and they could not or would not work with him.  I don't know who "started it," and I don't care.  What I care about is that, instead of working together for the good of the country, both major parties pointed to the other side and used the problems and unrest for political gain-while the country suffered and burned.  

    I personally found the fact that no one was able to STOP the protests and violence very troubling.  You can blame either side or both sides, but I didn't see either side coming up with an effective way to stop it or even having an effective dialogue about it.  Frankly, I don't trust EITHER major political party.  From my perspective, it looks the loudest voices in both major political parties keep using current events and problems for political gain and NEITHER ONE is doing much that can effectively solve those problems or help the country. 

  • TIM MILLER
    Posted: Tue, 11/17/2020 02:33 pm

    So, first, I don't approve of the violence/rioting/looting. But there WERE a lot of peaceful protests this summer, and not everywhere degenerated into free-for-all rioting. And, I don't think Antifa cares for Biden anymore than you do. He picked a former prosecutor for his running mate, his claim to fame is a tough-on-crime bill...if you're an anarchist, he's probably not your candidate.

    Second, even the peaceful protests were lumped into "rioting and looting." Conservative news outlets ran stories about my city, for instance, about "Rioters" burning down a house that a "father of 5" was working on. I fact checked it myself with local journalists. Nobody -- not local arson investigators, not local reporters, not the father of 5 himself -- suggested that rioters burned his house down. But that didn't stop Sarah Palin, Disrn, Daily Caller, etc., from running those stories that could have been disproven in a brief time. 

    The fact is, the black (liberal) leadership in Detroit took a strong stand against violence. The mayor and police chief worked hard to ensure that rioting and looting not take place. And over and over again, we got lumped in with "rioting and looting."

    On the other hand, I remember in 2016, when Trump repeatedly encouraged violence at his rallies, offering to pay legal fees and encouraging security to rough up hecklers. I remember just a few weeks ago when he made light of a plot to kidnap and kill my governor, Gretchen Whitmer. Crickets, or approval, from conservative press.

    You can't have it both ways. Either violence is a wrong way to settle political scores or it isn't. If it is, we need to condemn it -- whether Biden, Trump, or whoever is encouraging it.

  • not silent
    Posted: Tue, 11/17/2020 03:11 pm

    For TIM MILLER, I'm glad to hear that the local officials in your state took a strong stand against violence. I think there were others who did likewise and that gives me hope.  I am also aware that there were plenty of protests that remained peaceful (some were in my area).

    Unfortunately, it's hard to get a clear picture of what happened without checking multiple sources.  I recently saw an interview with Mr. Obama on 60 Minutes, and I heard him say that there needed to be MORE funding for police; but, if I had not actually been watching the interview, I never would have known. 

  • Narissara
    Posted: Tue, 11/17/2020 03:39 pm

    Violence for political gain needs to be condemned, regardless of which party is inciting it.  Period.  But I think what's going on is a clash of worldviews that extends beyond political affiliation.  For decades we've allowed ourselves and our children, to be indoctrinated into the antibiblical ideas of men like Marx, Nietsche, Sartre and Foucault (and others), and not just in colleges and universities; it's funneling down into K-12 schools.  It's finally starting to produce real fruit.  The thinking of these four men in particular has infected both parties.  Many of World's readers are already familiar with their ideas, but since my last couple of comments, I've had opportunity to watch this video which discusses them in the context of what's been happening this election season.  At the very least it sheds some light on why no one has been able to stop the violence.  It's a bit long, 50 minutes, but worth the time, for anyone interested.  

  • not silent
    Posted: Wed, 11/18/2020 12:48 pm

    For Narissara, I think your comment makes a good point.  I agree with you that much of this has to do with a clash of worldviews.  There is a strong Marxist viewpoint underlying some of what has been happening (i.e., the concept that ALL behavior and all problems are the result of class and priviledge and that violent revolution is necessary to "overthrow" the oppressors and establish justice.)  When one adopts the view that ALL problems or injustices are caused by class warfare, one can justify dreadful acts of violence to even things up.  (We've seen this historically with Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and many other communist regimes.)

    However, I don't think it's as simple as a clash between "godless" Marxism and "truth." For one thing, it's not false that some groups have historically oppressed other groups. If Christians are interested in justice and truth, we must acknowledge this. But it IS possible to acknowledge it without saying that ALL problems or injustices are based on oppression or a lack of equal opportunity. (I can't help thinking of the kid in West Side Story who said to the police officer, "I'm depraved on accounta I'm deprived.")  Our own history (and the history of countries like South Africa) has shown that peaceful protesting can produce positive changes.

    The only way to bring LASTING change is not with a sytem of government (even a great one like ours), but by changing people's hearts.  Violence may intimidate people into doing things; but, without a real change of heart, things could revert back to the way they were or even become worse when the balance of power changes. If it's just about power and social dynamics, there's nothing to restrain our worst impulses; and they inevitably come out.

    Bottom line: the only real answer is the gospel. Conservative politics has its merits, but it's not the gospel and will not save anyone. Religious liberty is great, but it does not save.  Stopping abortion would be amazing, and it would keep unborn babies from being killed in the womb; but only the gospel can save them and their mothers or fathers for eternity.  I personally think there is merit in some things that are considered "liberal" (i.e., helping the poor, protecting the environment) and that it would set a good example if Christians embraced them and demonstrated effective, biblical solutions for them; but only Christ saves for eternity.   

    I have said many times that my priority is the gospel and God's Kingdom. I would like to preserve our nation and our system of democracy, and I think they have been blessings FROM God; but God does not NEED them to exist to advance his kingdom.  Christ came into the world in an empire ruled by pagans, and the gospel still spread.  I have heard that the fastest growing church in the world is in IRAN, of all places.   The US has been greatly used by God, but it's not heaven.  Democracy is great, but only the gospel saves. 

  • Narissara
    Posted: Wed, 11/18/2020 03:18 pm

    Not silent, you make some good points, but I really wish you would stop trying to put words in my mouth.  You've done it to me repeatedly (and I've watched you do it to others) and then proceed to argue against something that was never said.  It's called a strawman argument.  And you completely miss the point that is being made.  

    I never said oppression by one group over another never happens.  Nor is that what Bishop Barron said in the video, if you watched it.  The point was, ideas have consequences, and there are some very ungodly ideas that are driving much of the violence we've seen this past year.  As you astutely observe, if you make everything about oppression, you can find a way to justify violence to settle the score.  It is a clash of worldviews, because when it comes right down to it, there are really only two religions — God's and not God's.  The ideas presented in the video are completely contrary to a biblical worldview, and they're becoming increasingly pervasive.  It should be a wakeup call to Christians to know what they believe and to be able to articulate it.  

  • not silent
    Posted: Wed, 11/18/2020 05:38 pm

    For Narissara, I did not mean to upset you; and I'm sorry.  However, I think you misunderstood my comment.  I was genuinely not trying to put words in your mouth, and I'm very sorry my comments have come across that way.  Apparently, I haven't done a very good job of it, but what I often try to do is to agree with a commenter and then add additional info or personal views. (To be fair, my daughter has told me that sometimes it seems like I'm arguing with her when I'm really not. I have tried to stop doing that, but maybe I'm still doing it.)  Actually, instead of me trying ot figure it out, maybe it would be best for you just to tell me what I said that caused you to feel uncomfortable so I'm not assuming anything and I can learn to communicate better.  

  • Narissara
    Posted: Wed, 11/18/2020 09:22 pm

    Not silent, what is frustrating is that you turn everything into an either-or proposition in the extreme.  In this instance, just because I reject the view that all problems or injustices are based on oppression, it does not automatically mean I hold the opposite view that none are.  I said nothing of the sort, but that's what you seem to imply.  

    We clearly don't see eye to eye on a lot of things.  But there are things we do.  As I said, you made some good points.  You could have omitted the second paragraph in its entirety and still gotten them across without sounding quite so antagonistic. 

    Worldview encompasses so much more than politics.  It's defined by how we answer important questions such as:  Does God exist?  How did we get here?  Why are we here?  What gives life meaning?  What is the standard of right and wrong?  What happens when we die?  How we answer those questions informs our views on government, law, economics, the environment, the right to life, healthcare, personal liberty, and so much more.  If the triune God of the Bible — Father, Son and Holy Spirit — isn't at the heart of the answer to every single one of those questions, one's worldview is going to be skewed.  

  • not silent
    Posted: Wed, 11/18/2020 10:49 pm

    Narissara, we may disagree on politics, but I'm not sure we disagree all that much.  And we agree about the most important thing-which is the Lord. That's enough for me.

  • Narissara
    Posted: Thu, 11/19/2020 01:36 pm

    Thank you, not silent.  And yes, I agree.  

  • OldMike
    Posted: Tue, 11/17/2020 05:56 am

    It's really nice to "deplore using violent means to achieve political ends" and call it unAmerican and unGodly.  But I've noticed that doesn't seem to stop the people who do use violence and intimidation. 

  • TIM MILLER
    Posted: Tue, 11/17/2020 02:36 pm

    This being World, I thought the logic might appeal to Christian Americans, some of whom are advocating for overturning a legitimate election.

  • OldMike
    Posted: Thu, 11/19/2020 02:03 am

    It's premature to assume the election we had IS a legitimate election.  Courts don't convict an accused person without hearing and weighing all of the evidence; we are not yet finished hearing and weighing all of the evidence about misconduct that is alleged to have occurred in the election 

    I personally do not believe Mr. Trump was re-elected.  But those who say he was must be allowed their day in court. 
     

    If Joe Biden is the next President, this will still be the U.S.A. and the Lord will still be in control. And I think it highly unlikely the supporters of Donald Trump will misbehave in such spectacular fashion as BLM, Antifa, or the Democrats in Congress and the media have, ever since President Trump began to look like the victor in 2016. 

  • TIM MILLER
    Posted: Thu, 11/19/2020 10:59 am

    "And I think it highly unlikely the supporters of Donald Trump will misbehave in such spectacular fashion as BLM, Antifa, or the Democrats in Congress and the media have, ever since President Trump began to look like the victor in 2016."

    OldMike, I have evangelical Christian friends who are expecting civil war because they are sure Biden stole the election, and there's no longer any legal recourse. Read the Epoch Times comment board!

     I'm not sure how that's different from Antifa thinking they can't get their way by persuasion so they have to throw bricks through windows.

    It's not premature to call this a legitimate election. The court cases so far have been full of sound and fury, but have had little impact on the actual results. States have begun certifying the vote, and despite some shenanigans, like Republicans trying to block Detroit's vote, Biden is certain to win. Responsible conservative observers have figured out that Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell are putting rumors out there without actually making their claims in court.

    Many of us have traveled down the rabbit trails of Trump's election claims. They don't hold up any better than his birtherism, his accusations about Rafael Cruz, his insinuations about Hillary's health, etc., etc.

    Conservative media outlets that traffic in Trump's election claims deserve the respect we give Infowars and the National Enquirer. And the ones that don't -- shoutout World, Washington Examiner, the Dispatch, among others -- deserve our eyes, ears, and subscription $$$.

  • OldMike
    Posted: Sun, 11/22/2020 01:04 am

    Mr. Miller, how interesting that you equate Christians who say they "expect" civil war, with well-documented and oft-repeated Antifa/BLM violence. I myself know Christians (non-Christians too) who say they think civil war is coming, but I have not heard a single one say they intend to start it!  Uniformly, what I hear people say is "If those rioters come to my neighborhood to burn and loot, they will get what they've got coming!"  This also holds true for literally hundreds of comments I've read online on various news sites. 
     

    Mr. Miller, I live in one of the most redneck, gun-owning parts of the U.S.   I have NEVER heard anyone say,  "We need to go find those Antifa jerks and wipe them out!"  Nor have I heard a single person say,  "We need to show up armed at one of those Antifa demonstrations and let them have it!"  
     

    No, Mr. Miller, everything I hear conservative people say meets any sensible definition of self-defense, not aggression. 
     

    Because of things you have said here, I have come to the conclusion, Mr. Miller, that you are not one of us. Your posts have the hallmarks of a liberal troll who has come here to try to stir up doubts and dissent. However, I certainly don't want you to leave.  Stay, and keep making your feeble leftist points.  It helps us clarify our beliefs, as well as learn to recognize wolves in sheep's' clothing. And perhaps, you will learn something while you're here.
     

    regards, OldMike

     

    [adding the following]. I'm ashamed of what I wrote above. I've apologized to Mr. Miller and not silent in another thread, and to others. We are all getting pretty riled up about our political situation, and I for one, have obviously gone a bit over the edge. I won't delete what i wrote up above even though I'm embarrassed now that I've had a bit of clearer thinking. Please forgive me, and please, all of us, let us remember to treat one another as brothers and sisters. OldMike

  • not silent
    Posted: Thu, 11/19/2020 05:38 pm

    OldMike, would you mind telling me who "us" is (i.e, re your comment "not one of us")?   Since I agree with Tim Miller on most accounts, does that mean I'm not "one of you" either?   

     

  • not silent
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 02:57 pm

    Old Mike, it takes a big person to apologize.  Thank you for setting an example for all of us.

  • OldMike
    Posted: Thu, 11/19/2020 09:12 pm

    I don't know.  Are you?

  • not silent
    Posted: Thu, 11/19/2020 09:29 pm

    I would be better able to answer if you would commnicate clearly with me, OldMike.  I'm afraid I can't read your mind.  One could speculate all kinds of things, but I don't really think that would be fair.

  • OldMike
    Posted: Sun, 11/22/2020 01:03 am

    For any who came in on this without any background, Yes, I did apologize for my very judgmental attack on TIM MILLER and my baiting of not silent.  it's on another thread that came a day or 2 after this.  I also apologize to all who read the attack above.

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