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Down in the count

Politics | The president’s legal team continues to fight for his reelection
by Kyle Ziemnick
Posted 11/19/20, 04:28 pm

Although his numerous legal fights have unveiled some tabulation mistakes and won small victories, President Donald Trump’s war to overturn Joe Biden’s lead in the vote count is running out of time and options.

“AND I WON THE ELECTION. VOTER FRAUD ALL OVER THE COUNTRY!” Trump tweeted Wednesday morning before making a series of allegations later that day.

His attorney, Rudy Giuliani, appeared in federal court on Tuesday to defend the Trump campaign’s lawsuit against Pennsylvania, demanding the state stop the certification of votes. He cited the inconsistent practice of curing, or sending ballots with errors back to voters for correction, as one reason for blocking certification. But Giuliani also complained of issues across the country.

“The best description of this situation is widespread, nationwide voter fraud, of which this is a part,” he said. Lawyers representing Pennsylvania Secretary of the Commonwealth Kathy Boockvar, a Democrat, called on U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann to toss out the Trump campaign’s claims. They referred to Giuliani’s concerns as “garden-variety irregularities” and said state courts should handle the issue, not a federal court. Brann must rule before Tuesday, the deadline for election certification in Pennsylvania.

In Wisconsin, Trump officially filed a request for a recount on Wednesday in the state’s two most populous counties, Milwaukee and Dane, where Biden won by large margins. The former vice president leads in Wisconsin by just 0.6 percentage points. Trump would have to overcome a 21,000-vote deficit to win the state.

An audit found significant problems in Georgia, where two counties discovered more than 5,000 uncounted votes, a majority of which went to Trump. Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, wrapped up a hand count of the state’s ballots Wednesday night and threatened an official with firing over the missing ballots. The count cut Biden’s lead from 14,000 votes to about 12,800, well within the margin for an official state-funded recount.

The Associated Press has not called the Peach State for either candidate. If Trump overtook Biden there, he would still need to earn at least 21 more electoral votes—by AP’s count—to win reelection. Wisconsin’s 10 votes would not be enough, nor would Pennsylvania’s 20 unless the president somehow flipped both states.

Trump’s supporters claim, along with their candidate, that voter fraud was widespread and systematic. Trump attorney Sidney Powell said at a news conference on Thursday she would prove the president won by a landslide.

“We’re getting ready to overturn election results in multiple states,” she said earlier in the week.

Republicans have split on how to respond to the allegations. Moderates such as Utah Sen. Mitt Romney and Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski have called Biden the president-elect, and former presidential candidate Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida did so Monday, NPR reported. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said Trump had the right to challenge the election results, but he acknowledged the possibility of a Biden win Tuesday.

“We’re going to have an orderly transfer from this administration to the next one,” he said.

Trump’s staunchest supporters in Congress have backed off from making many claims about the election, but his friends away from Capitol Hill are holding out hope. Steve Bannon, former White House strategist, told Eric Bolling on America this Week that if the president’s legal proceedings delay enough states from certifying election results by Dec. 14, Electoral College members from those states might not be able to cast their votes, and Biden could fall short of the 270 votes needed to win the presidency. If that happened, the House would decide by state delegation, which favors the Republicans. But Trump needs more court victories resulting in significant delays to have any shot at pulling off that last chance.


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Kyle Ziemnick

Kyle is a WORLD Digital news reporter. He is a World Journalism Institute and Patrick Henry College graduate. Kyle resides in Purcellville, Va. Follow him on Twitter @kylezim25.

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  • Gregory P
    Posted: Thu, 11/19/2020 06:26 pm

    You share nothing of the significant press conference held today by Rudy Giuliani, Syndney Powell, and Jenna Ellis which indicated evidences for the claims of massive fraud in the election. 

  • TIM MILLER
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 08:58 am

    The press conference wasn't significant at all. They repeated their same spurious claims, without evidence, and without following up in court.

    Let me know when they have claims of major election fraud they're willing to put forward in a court of law. Until then, it's smoke and mirrors.

  • Hawkdriver
    Posted: Thu, 11/19/2020 06:56 pm

    Watch the press conference yourselves.   This article doesn't cover it nor does Fox beyond a spinned version.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akqeL9AtJYI

    Especially the last 10min.  If this is true in any part it is absolute treason.  I just finished serving 23 years in our military some of it in military intel and the last bit in cybersecurity.  Please watch the live press conference and form your own opinion.

  • PAMom
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 07:49 am

    Thank you, Hawkdriver, for your service to our country. What was shown in the press conference is real, and it is treason. Trump's team is going to show the American public, and the world, how corrupt the voting system is and has been in our country for years. It takes time, though, because they are going about it the way they should, by the rule of law. Rudy Giuliani is a patriot. He did amazing things by taking on the Mafia in NYC back in the 1980s and cleaned up the city. Sidney Powell is a brilliant lawyer who does not say what she cannot prove.

    The MSM is part of the collusion. They have been lying to the public for decades, and most of the public has had no clue. Wake up! Check out alternative sources such as America's Voice, GEORGE, Newsmax and American Greatness. I am sick & tired of WORLD using AP as their source of truth. They lie, plain and simple, and should never be a source from a Christian magazine.

  • TIM MILLER
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 08:59 am

    "If true" are big words. Let's see the evidence, if there's any.

  • KenTanner
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 10:06 am

    The evidence is there in the affidavits within the court cases. You speak as one who didn’t listen to the news conference? 

  • TIM MILLER
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 10:14 am

    Ken, the affadavits are mostly garbage by untrained election observers who did not understand what was going on, and did not challenge suspected improprieties during the process.

    Powerline Blog pointed out that one affadavit, supposedly with evidence of Dominion tampering, used Minnesota precincts as examples when it was talking about Michigan. 

    The Trump campaign and its surrogates keep losing in court, but they're trying to poison confidence in the electoral system so they can profit off of it later. 

  • TIM MILLER
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 10:14 am

    Ken, the affadavits are mostly garbage by untrained election observers who did not understand what was going on, and did not challenge suspected improprieties during the process.

    Powerline Blog pointed out that one affadavit, supposedly with evidence of Dominion tampering, used Minnesota precincts as examples when it was talking about Michigan. 

    The Trump campaign and its surrogates keep losing in court, but they're trying to poison confidence in the electoral system so they can profit off of it later. 

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    Cyborg3
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 01:03 pm

    Tim, the affidavits were not garbage. You are just regurgitating the dishonest press! Here is evidence by a Democrat showing how the training of election workers was training them how to cheat!

    Here is part of Giuliani's press conference:

     

    So, that takes us to Michigan where there was an honest Democrat who said they were cheating. And we’ll show you her affidavit because I know you keep reporting falsely that we have no evidence, that we have no specific acts of fraud. That’s because the coverage of this has been almost as dishonest as the scheme itself. The American people are entitled to know this. You don’t have a right to keep it from them. You don’t have a right to lie about it. And you are. I mean, you don’t report to them that a citizen of this country, a very fine woman who was willing to allow me to give you her name. I can’t give you all these affidavits. Because, if I do, these people will be harassed. They’ll be threatened. They may lose their job. They will lose their friends. We’ve lost lawyers in this case because they’ve been threatened. We’ve had lawyers that need protection. What’s going on in this country is horrible. And the censorship that you’re imposing is making it worse.

    Rudy Giuliani: (15:18)
    But Jesse Jacob is an adult citizen and a resident of the state of Michigan. She’s been an employee of the City of Detroit for decades. I know her age, but she can tell you her age. She was assigned to voting duties in September, and she was trained by the City of Detroit and the State of Michigan. She was basically trained to cheat. She said that I was instructed by my supervisor to adjust the mailing date of these absentee ballot packages to be dated earlier than when they were actually sent in. The supervisor made that announcement for all workers to engage in that fraudulent practice. That’s not me saying that. That’s this American citizens saying that under oath.

    Rudy Giuliani: (16:14)
    I don’t know. Maybe you could say she’s lying, but you can’t say there’s no evidence. This is what we call evidence. This is direct evidence not circumstantial. I tried many, many cases, as did all my colleagues here. You put a witness on a witness stand, the witness is testifying to their own knowledge. This witness goes on the witness stand and she will say, “I was told to adjust the date on the absentee ballots. I witnessed election workers and employees going over to the voting booth with voters in order to watch them vote and coach them for whom to vote.” Completely illegal. She will testify to that. I don’t know. Biden’s people can cross examine her, but you can’t just throw it away. Gee, there’s no evidence. Next time you say that you’ll be lying because there is evidence. By the way, this is public. You can all get it. It’s attached to the complaint in Constantino vs. the City of Detroit.

  • TIM MILLER
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 01:25 pm

    I'm regurgitating the judge who threw out the case based on the baseless affadavits. The one that was the most serious, Jacobs', didn't have any identifying details as to the precinct, whether she complained, etc., etc.

  • Leeper
    Posted: Thu, 11/19/2020 08:35 pm

    For in depth coverage go to newsmax tv free with Roku. Hope world reports in more detail slso

  • TIM MILLER
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 09:34 am

    [removed for snarkiness by the original poster]

  • KenTanner
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 10:01 am

    Kyle, You missed the most important points of the news conference. Please go back and once more and listen to the entire conference and report on those points that were emphasized over and over again. Please be fair to the news conference.  - Ken

  • TIM MILLER
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 10:10 am

    Ken, the news conference was nothing. No evidence. Just more unsubstantiated claims. OANN, Epoch Times, Newsmax haven't figured it out yet. But honest Trump supporters are starting to jump ship and don't see a viable path forward.

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/11/a-conspiracy-so-immense.php

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/trumps-ugly-exit/

    https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/nope

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/checkmate-in-pennsylvania-for-the...

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-rudy-giuliani-sidney-powe...

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    Cyborg3
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 12:01 pm

    Tim, you read all the propaganda and eat it up. We have evidence of widespread voter corruption and you ignore it just like your sources do. The coronavirus was used as an excuse to change our voting system enabling gross voter fraud. Specifically, the Republican and Independent poll watchers weren't allowed close enough to see what was going on. If the bar is set so that they have to show enough votes to overturn the election before the courts will allow the results to be contested, then it is impossible task: they were never allowed to view the election ballots and voting process close enough to provide fair adjudication. We have enough evidence of ballots being "lost", recounted many times, people changing ballots, and so many other irregularities that this election is a forgery and fraud. The Democrats have been working for years to take away the protections so our election process is ripe for stealing elections- just like what is happening today.  If we cannot trust our elections then it is time for revolution so the judges had better listen and ensure the election was fair!

  • TIM MILLER
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 01:27 pm

    Cyborg3, the coronavirus is real. I didn't want to vote in person because of it. I know a 26 year old who died from it.

    The Onion and Babylon Bee can't hold a candle to the fake news Giuliani and Powell are cooking up right now.

  • TIM MILLER
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 01:31 pm

    Cyborg3, you just said, "If we cannot trust our election system, it's time for revolution."

    THIS is why what Giuliani and Powell and Trump are doing is so dangerous. I know other conservative Christians, like you, who are so fed up they're talking revolution and civil war. This is horrendously dangerous, especially based on a lie. 

     

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    Cyborg3
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 12:53 pm

    Giuliani does an excellent job showing how the election fraud was a coordinated effort focused on the mail-in ballots in the Democratic big cities

    Below is part of the transcript:

    "So, I guess the best way to describe this is, when we began our representation of the president, we certainly were confronted with a very anomalous set of results. The president way ahead on election night, seven or 800,000 in Pennsylvania, somehow he lost Pennsylvania. We have statisticians willing to testify that that’s almost statistically impossible to have happened in the period of time that it happened. But, of course, that’s just speculation.

    Rudy Giuliani: (01:12)
    As we started investigating, both our investigations and the very patriotic and brave American citizens that have come forward, are extraordinary, extraordinary number of people, extraordinary number of witnesses. And what emerged very quickly is it’s not a single voter fraud in one state. This pattern repeats itself in a number of states. Almost exactly the same pattern, which to any experienced investigator, prosecutor would suggest that there was a plan from a centralized place to execute these various acts of voter fraud, specifically focused on big cities and specifically focused on, as you would imagine, big cities controlled by Democrats, and particularly focused on big cities that have a long history of corruption. The number of voter fraud cases in Philadelphia could fill a library. Just a few weeks ago, there was a conviction for voter fraud and one two weeks before that. And I’ve often said, I guess, sarcastically, but it’s true, the only surprise I would have found in this is that Philadelphia hadn’t cheated in this election, because, for the last 60 years, they’ve cheated in just about every single election. You could say the same thing about Detroit.

    Rudy Giuliani: (02:43)
    Each one of these cities are cities that are controlled by Democrats, which means they can get away with anything they want to do. It means they have a certain degree of control over… certainly control the election board completely. And they control law enforcement. And unfortunately, they have some friendly judges that will issue ridiculously irrational opinions just to come out in their favor.

    Rudy Giuliani: (03:08)

    So, let’s start with the specifics, Pennsylvania. In Pennsylvania, the margin of victory now for Biden, which is not a victory, it’s a fraud, is 69,140 votes. The reality is that we are now at a count of 682,770 ballots for which we have affidavits that there was no inspection of that ballot at the time that it was entered in the vote. It was a mail ballot.

    Rudy Giuliani: (03:45)
    Mail ballots are particularly prone to fraud. We were warned about that by Jimmy Carter, president Jimmy Carter and Secretary Baker in a report about a dozen years ago, in which they said that mail balloting is particularly susceptible of fraud, that we should very carefully consider ever doing it, and that it can be taken advantage of. Justice Souter warned us at the same thing in a comment in an election law case. And even the New York Times wrote articles about how dangerous mail voting, mail-in voting was. And this is the first time we ever did it en masse. And I think we proved that all three are prophets. It’s not only susceptible to fraud, it is easily susceptible to fraud, particularly if you have a plan or scheme, which sounds eerily similar to what Joe Biden told us a few days before the election, that he had the best voter fraud team in the world. But they were good. I don’t know that they were that good because they made significant mistakes, like all crooks do. And we caught them. One of them was pushing out Republican inspectors. Every state… almost every civilized country, even Tanzania and places that you wouldn’t think of, have rules about inspectors, particularly for mail-in ballots. And why particularly for mail-in ballots? Because they can more easily be defrauded and you can’t check on them.

    Rudy Giuliani: (05:26)
    People who have never done a mail-in ballot, I’m going to show you why it’s so easy. Well, you fill out an envelope like this. You put your… usually in New York, it would be your assembly district and the precinct in which you’re voting. You fill out your name and your address, and you sign it. You then use an inner envelope, and you put the ballot inside the inner envelope. You seal it all, and you send it in.

    Rudy Giuliani: (05:56)
    When it’s being counted, almost invariably in the United States, up until the mass cheating that went on in this election, a Republican and a Democrat inspector, as well as others, if there are other parties, is allowed to watch the unsealing of this ballot. It used to go on all over America when we conducted honest elections. Because the only time you can ever find out if it’s a fraudulent ballot, is when it is looked at. The minute you approve this, it’s thrown away, gone for eternity. The only thing left is the vote <Cyborg's note- the envelope with the evidence who sent it in>. That could have been Mickey Mouse. That could have been a dead person. That could have been not filled out properly. That could have been the same person 30 times. And all these things have happened, by the way. That could have been nothing filled out. We never know.

    Rudy Giuliani: (06:58)
    So, for example, the recount being done in Georgia will tell us nothing because these fraudulent ballots will just be counted again because they wouldn’t supply the signatures to match the ballots. So, it means nothing to have counted these ballots, because for example, in Pennsylvania, where we have probably our most precise evidence, 682,770 of these ballots were cast, put in, and they weren’t inspected, which renders them ballots that are null and void, cannot be counted, have to be removed from the vote. Why? For several reasons, not the least of which is, that was basically only one of two places in the state where it was done. So, in the other parts of the state, there was a legitimate inspection of the ballots. So, if you have two different standards in different parts of the state, one favoring one part of the state, the other disfavoring the other part of the state, that’s a classic violation of the equal protection clause of the United States constitution, Bush V Gore being the most recent case that teaches that."

     

    Read more of the transcript here.

  • TIM MILLER
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 01:24 pm

    One of the utterly stupid things about Rudy's claim here is that Trump actually improved over 2016 in the cities. Check it out in Michigan. Trump gained  5000 votes and went up from 3% to 5%, doing better against Biden than he had Hillary. Instead of celebrating this, and seeing further opportunity to reach out to urban voters, Rudy is advocating for dismissing 100% of the results! 

    Trump didn't lose Michigan in the cities. Had he maintained his 2016 margins elsewhere in the state, he would have won. He lost Oakland County, formerly a GOP stronghold. He lost Kent County (Grand Rapids), which went for Trump in 2016.

    Another utterly stupid thing about this is that one-party control means all the fights are within the party. We have a mayor who is formerly the CEO of a large medical system. He is a businessman, not a huge partisan. Our city clerk is not popular within the Democratic Party; her husband served in the Rick Snyder administration, and Michigan's current liuetenant governor was recruited to run against her. He lost.

    The main really stupid thing about this? Legally, Guiliani has no recourse, because the campaign either failed in the poll watching stage or is lying now. Michigan law is clear; the votes are going to be certified (because they were legally cast and counted), and Michigan's electors will vote for Joe Biden.

    Georgia certifies today; Pennsylvania and Michigan certify Monday.

     

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    Cyborg3
    Posted: Sat, 11/21/2020 02:12 am

    Tim, you keep spouting out the liberal propaganda. Why is that? Are you telling me that only 3 out of 100 voted for Trump in 2016 in this district? Or was there voter fraud going on in 2016 too?  Now in 2020 Trump only gets 5 out of a hundred when in other areas Trump is getting a much higher percentage of Hispanics and blacks. Did the Democrats grow scared as Trump was getting 8-9% of the vote and they whipped into gear to remove Trump ballots and add Biden ones? Aren't you at all curious why Trump ballots go mysteriously missing and Biden ballots magically appear? You seem to be lying about their being no evidence when I keep showing you it.  Why is that? What we are seeing is the visible portion of the iceberg, with much more voter fraud yet to be identified underneath the waters! 

  • TIM MILLER
    Posted: Mon, 11/23/2020 09:00 am

    Cyborg3, I voted for the current city clerk because the former one did appear to be corrupt. Hillary did not get 97% of the vote in Detroit in 2016; third parties got a significant amount, too. But, yes, Trump only got 3% of the Detroit vote in 2016. I have not seen evidence the Detroit vote was rigged.

  • Gregory P
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 03:18 pm

    If there has been election fraud, and mishandling, and there is much evidence that there has (evidence awaiting proof), then Trump as candidate has rights to pursue legal means to achieve victory, but beyond that as President, Trump has sworn to execute the office of President of the United States and to the best of hhis ability, "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”  Election fraud is an assault on the Constitution and the Republic and its people.  Even he were to know he was going to lose, he should pursue evident election fraud and seek to ensure future elections will be fair and votes will be counted rightly.   

  • WR
    Posted: Fri, 11/20/2020 09:59 pm

    Kyle - I just watched the entire press conference. I am surprised your article does not cover some of the significant evidence presented during the press conference, including precincts with significant overvotes, numerous affidavits from eyewitnesses of vote tampering, systematic suppression of vote counting oversight, improbable swings in the vote tally, and serious questions about the voting machines and software used. I think World owes its readers a more serious analysis of the evidence.

  • Hawkdriver
    Posted: Sat, 11/21/2020 10:45 pm

    100% agree.  

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    Cyborg3
    Posted: Sun, 11/22/2020 06:16 am

    Here is more interesting news how the election was stolen. Zuckerberg donated $350 million to a liberal organization (Center for Tech and Civic Life) working the swing state big cities to get out the vote, but they did much more than get out the vote.  I wonder if World would report on this for it is newsworthy! These paid political operatives workering for these liberal organizations were essentially directing the voter process! 

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