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Border wall showdown could shut down government

by Harvest Prude
Posted 12/17/18, 11:48 am

WASHINGTON—A stalemate over funding for a wall at the U.S.-Mexico border could force a partial government shutdown Friday. Lawmakers have not been able to pass a spending bill in either chamber of Congress. The White House wants $5 billion allocated to building the wall, while Democrats have offered no more than $1.6 billion for fencing upgrades and have suggested keeping funding at its current level of $1.3 billion. Republican-proposed solutions, including a stopgap bill, also have not gained traction.

Amid the back-and-forth, the House took a six-day weekend and won’t reconvene until Wednesday, giving Republicans a narrow window of time in which to pass the budget before the shutdown deadline. President Donald Trump said last week in a meeting with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., that he would be “proud” to accept a shutdown if his request of $5 billion for the wall was not met. Schumer vowed Sunday that the president “is not going to get the wall in any form.”

White House senior adviser Stephen Miller reaffirmed on Sunday that the administration has not budged from its position. “We’re going to do whatever is necessary to build the border wall,” he told CBS News.

An NPR/Marist poll taken about two weeks ago found that 57 percent of all Americans say the president should compromise on the border wall. But 65 percent of Republicans say the opposite.

A shutdown would affect about one-quarter of the government, including the departments of Agriculture, Homeland Security, Justice, State, and Transportation.

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Harvest is a reporter for WORLD based in Washington, D.C.

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  • Graced
    Posted: Mon, 12/17/2018 12:15 pm

    How did we get from Mexico paying for the wall, to shutting the government down over us not paying for it? I don't understand this at all. Regardless of opinions on the wall, this fact makes no sense to me.

  • TheAbundantLand
    Posted: Mon, 12/17/2018 01:40 pm

    Mexico is paying for it. We're getting a windfall from the new trade agreement that will more than cover the wall. We need to be able to use that money to build the wall!

  •  West Coast Gramma's picture
    West Coast Gramma
    Posted: Mon, 12/17/2018 03:44 pm

    The media warned us last week to look for another distraction from sleight-of-hand magician/TV reality show host, Miiiiiister TRUMP! And here it is, right on schedule, just as the Mueller probe continues to draw its net tighter around our president. There seems to be a pattern to his often repeated behavior.

  • Big Jim
    Posted: Mon, 12/17/2018 07:03 pm

    Which media are you referring to, Gramma? The one with a hard core Leftist agenda? There is certainly a pattern to their behavior.

  •  CaptTee's picture
    Posted: Mon, 12/17/2018 03:51 pm

    What is so bad about a Goverment shut down over Christmas Break when they encourage people to take vacation and basically shut down anyway?

    More Washington drama and crisis over nothing!

    The real fear of a Government shutdown is that it will highlight those areas where we are paying bureaucrats to do non-essential work and they will have to justify keeping their jobs!

  • OldMike
    Posted: Mon, 12/17/2018 11:34 pm

    We could get by just fine with about half the government employees currently on our payroll. 

    IF:  there were not so many folks in this country insisting the govt do such things as fund obscene art; force Christian ministries to pay for abortion drugs in their employee insurance plans; force schools to open their girls’ restrooms to men posing as women; install rainbow lighting to show the occupant of the White House (prior to the current one) supports gay marriage; use Medicare funds to pay for sex change operations; subsidize the biggest abortion provider in the US; provide govt benefits to illegals.   Etc.

    Is it not past time more of us who believe in Biblical standards (morality) speak up and take an active part in the decision making process?  

    Have you contacted your Congressional representatives about ANYTHING lately?  After voting, letting your Reps and Senators know what they should focus on, is the next important step. They hear from the US-haters and freebie demanders and sexual libertines. Shouldn’t they hear from us too?  So there is a bit more balance in the input. 

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    West Coast Gramma
    Posted: Mon, 12/17/2018 11:31 pm

    Re Big Jim: In this case, Jim, I don't think your point is valid--a prediction come true is a prediction come true, no matter what its source. And unfortunately in our president's case, not everyone who opposes him is "left." Could be he is just a very sub par president. 

  • OldMike
    Posted: Mon, 12/17/2018 11:52 pm

    Gramma, apparently you or your family have not seen wages stagnate because of your area suffering an influx of immigrant labor willing to work cheap. Maybe you and your family all are high wage elite professionals. 

    I KNOW there are a sizable number of illegals among the immigrants in my area. Not just because some are caught in my area every week. I owned a duplex rental for a few years, and after one group moved out, I found an overlooked pocketful of various kinds of ID’s, all different names, on a high closet shelf. 

    Yet for years, those in Washington, for the most part, either ignored the problem or outright encouraged it. 

    MISTER Trump is one of very few to run for national office, who saw and understood and cared about the impact this has had on ordinary working Americans. 

    Are you still unaware that this is one of main reasons we ordinary blue collar folks voted for him?  And still support him, despite his “sub-par” abilities?  

    God bless President Trump!  And secure the border!

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    West Coast Gramma
    Posted: Tue, 12/18/2018 02:53 am

    Old Mike, I understand your frustration. However, unemployment has almost never been lower than it is right now, especially in the low paying sector. One of Trump's country clubs was actually looking to give more work visas to foreign nationals because they couldn't find sufficient numbers of American laborers. I've spent most of my life near the agricultural areas of California, and it is well known that native born Americans do not wish to work the fields. Back in the day of Cesar Chavez, conditions were so bad that no American would stoop so low, pun intended. The truth is, our economy is highly dependent upon immigrant labor in many of the manual fields, and not just latino workers. I've noticed that Thai immigrants gravitate toward beauty shops, especially manicurists; immigrants from India seem to prefer gas stations and motels. It used to be that landscape gardeners were largely Japanese, but latinos seem to have taken over that field. And it's not just blue collar workers. If you walk into any hospital on the west coast, you will find that non-white professionals fill the ranks of nurses and doctors. Trump is villainizing an ethnic class for no reason other than his own success. Building a physical wall to keep people out of our country is not the kind of strategy that will make America great again in today's multi-ethnic world. The entire planet has changed and is changing. Trump is like a feudal lord in the era when nations were first forming. His methods are stone age and highly racially charged. He has accomplished no solutions to real issues of immigration. Building a wall is not a solution--it's a step backward into the dark ages. In your statement about stagnating wages--which I'm not at all convinced is due to immigration--you made a strong point. You said that immigrants are willing to work for less. But you said that they are willing to work. Did you hear what you said? Many immigrants work two and even three jobs to feed their families. I fail to see what is wrong with the immigrant for doing that. I'm very sorry if your family is among those having difficulty making ends meet. No one wants to be in that position.

  • Big Jim
    Posted: Tue, 12/18/2018 02:08 am

    Gramma,  what prediction are you referring to that has come true? I was simply pointing out that the "media" you refer to is not a news source - it is an agenda driven propaganda machine. I am aware that people not on the left oppose Mr. Trump, there are some of those in my own family. As far as being a "very sub par" President, according to who? I like most of what Pres. Trump has done; in fact, he's my favorite President since Reagan.

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    West Coast Gramma
    Posted: Tue, 12/18/2018 02:57 am

    Big Jim, you think that Fox News is not "an agenda driven propaganda machine?" A pastor once gave me wise advice. He said, "Do you think you can be right all the time and everyone else wrong?" Listen to the myriad of voices critical of our president, including large numbers of former government officials who served in various governmental capacities. Many of those we find quoted are Republicans or have been appointed by Republicans. I myself feel that we currently have a "very sub par" president. My standard of what makes a good president is a person who represents and serves the entire country, not just his or her own narrow political brand. What is good for all of America? I see our president deriding our institutions and hurling insults at all kinds of people. Calling people names who disagree with you is not presidential behavior. Our president pits American against American, and that is sub par in my book. He is a man who sides with political enemies from other countries, rather than respecting our own institutions. He attacks on a personal level all those who disagree with him, no matter if their rank in life is much much lower than his own. This is not presidential. It is what bullies do. Rather than sitting down with representatives of both parties to seek a common ground on immigration and hash out the first steps of real change, he threatens to shut down the government if he does not get all of his own way. This is not the kind of president I admire.

  • Big Jim
    Posted: Tue, 12/18/2018 02:12 pm

    Gramma, you just described Pres. Obama. By the way, I get my news from World ;-)

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    West Coast Gramma
    Posted: Wed, 12/19/2018 10:34 am

    Ah, but you are quite mistaken. Obama was one of the most dignified presidents we’ve had in my lifetime. And that is my opinion formed from his behavior, not my political beliefs, since I did NOT vote for him two times. 

  • OldMike
    Posted: Wed, 12/19/2018 02:10 am

    Gramma, yes it’s true unemployment is down now and that generally helps wages. 

    But I’m not talking about just now. I’m talking about a 40+ year history of ever-increasing immigration, quite a bit of it illegal, that provided employers with a labor surplus that enabled them to pay less or keep from giving much in the way of raises. I also am not talking about gardeners or field workers or hotel maids so much as I’m talking about large numbers of immigrants showing up for manufacturing and construction jobs, and of course among them a fair percentage with legitimate-appearing false ID and green cards. If I remember correctly, it got so bad about 30 years ago that our beloved President Reagan put some kind of amnesty program thru.

    This was taking place thru both Republican and Democratic administrations,  during periods when each party had its turn with Congressional majorities. And despite many speaking the words, “Yes of course we believe secure borders are important,” virtually NOTHING WAS DONE!  

    Until President Trump. And he has faced opposition from Democrats PLUS fake conservatives in his own party. 

    Now, if President Trump does NOTHING else positive, for recognizing and trying to stop ILLEGAL immigration, he has my support. 

    BUT, he has also recognized and attempted to deal with China’s economic bullying. He has attempted to mitigate the attacks on the religious freedom of folks like us. He has attempted to put U.S. eyes on persecution of Christians in the rest of the world. He has appointed 2 Supreme Court Justices who I believe will make decisions with a great deal more fairness than any Justice that a Democrat President would appoint. 

    Mr. Trump is, unfortunately, rude and crude and speaks (Tweets) impulsively. He has apparently committed some immoral acts (as have MANY people, both prominent and ordinary) and he has apparently operated through much of his life with the attitude, “If I want it, that’s all that matters.”

    BUT SO HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF OUR PRESIDENTS, if historians are to be believed. So my answer to all the people trying to tear down President Trump is, GET DOWN OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE, you just look like an idiot up there!

  •  West Coast Gramma's picture
    West Coast Gramma
    Posted: Wed, 12/19/2018 10:46 am

    Old Mike, except for the uncalled for part about the “high horse”, you stated your opinion very well. By the way, illegal immigration is a problem and creates difficulties for the immigrants themselves, as well as for those born here. Other than a wall, do you have any suggestions for how to manage the ever increasing numbers of people who wish to come in? I think the pathways for legal immigration, well managed, should be greatly expanded. And those who are here for a certain number of years, if law abiding and productive, should have a door of citizenship opened. I agree that Congress carries a burden of fault far greater than presidents for failure to consider and arrive at a manageable plan that works for everyone, including Americans and immigrants. I just don’t think a wall is the answer when the legal system itself is so inadequate. What are your ideas for improvement? Sincerely, West Coast Gramma

  • OldMike
    Posted: Wed, 12/19/2018 04:30 pm

    Why are you so much against a wall, when we continue to see attempts by migrants to physically FORCE THEIR WAY ACROSS THE BORDER?

    i suspect its only a matter of time til some group decides to use arms to try to force their way in. (And I can hear all of the immigrant apologists saying, “It’s OUR fault: because we in the US gave them no other choice, their desperation drove them to this.” 

    And what kind of message does it send when you say “And those who are here for a certain number of years, if law-abiding and productive, should have a door of citizenship opened.”

    The message there is, “break in and hide long enough and we will reward you for breaking in.”  

    Sorry, Ma’am, but I believe your logic is extremely lacking. 

    And feel free to have the last word, because I see attempts at getting thru to you is a waste of time. By the way, are you actually HANS, posting under a different name?

  •  West Coast Gramma's picture
    West Coast Gramma
    Posted: Thu, 12/20/2018 08:25 pm

    Old Mike, I asked you a sincere question in a reasonable way, and you completely shut me down. I asked, " Other than a wall, do you have any suggestions for how to manage the ever increasing numbers of people who wish to come in?" To answer your question, my objection to a $5 billion dollar wall is that it does nothing to address the immigration problem itself. Listen: If you are a movie star, you have to expect to deal with fans. And, if you are the "greatest nation on earth," then you have to expect to deal with less privileged people who want to come into our country. "Do you have any suggestions for how to manage the ever increasing numbers of people who wish to come in?" Your answer, so far, is that they cannot come in, and we will physically keep them out, and that is that. End of discussion. Well, that's not productive enough for me. I want to spend my $5 billion immigration dollars on a solution that will be good for the USA and that will be good for other countries as well. I'm not sure what this solution is. But it's a topic worth discussing. I feel that the greatest nation on earth has the ability, capacity, and responsibility to help others less fortunate than ourselves. Plus, we have always been a nation of immigrants. Our nation was born by immigration. Or, haven't you noticed that we are not all native Americans?