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Evangelicals and Roy Moore

UPDATED: Giving candidates we like a moral pass debases our culture

Evangelicals and Roy Moore

(Photo by Hal Yeager/AP)

UPDATE (November 15, 2017): Thank you for the emails and comments. The new information since Monday morning, when I wrote the article below, is a half-hour video of testimony from Judge Moore’s fifth accuser, Beverly Young Nelson, and her lawyer, Gloria Allred. It’s worth watching on YouTube or other online spots.

Right now we have three stories of Assistant District Attorney Moore in his early 30s dating older teens and two stories of Moore sexually accosting younger ones, 14 and 16. As I wrote Monday, we should differentiate the dating and the accosting, and pay attention to the latter.

Some Christians know the words of the 1847 hymn “Abide With Me,” by Henry Lyte: “Thou on my head, in early youth didst smile; / And though rebellious, and perverse meanwhile, / Thou hast not left me, though I oft left Thee, / On to the close, Lord, abide with me.” If Moore were to acknowledge youthful perversity I would empathize with him, but he has not, so trusting his words we can foreclose one option—that Moore did to the 14- and 16-year-old what they said he did, but is repentant.

That leaves two possibilities: Moore did what they said or Moore did not and they are unfairly maligning him. It’s hard to know absolutely which of those two is accurate. Additional stories and details may come out. From the emails and comments I’ve read, I can see that evangelicals are assessing those two options in two different ways.

Some are carefully going through the evidence, without prejudging Moore or his accusers, and are not assuming the women are lying because they are only bringing this up now. Some evangelicals will go through this thoughtful process and decide not to support Moore. Others will do the same and find Moore credible. So be it.

My concern is with evangelicals who automatically back Moore because his opponent is a liberal Democrat. Is a short-term political victory worth long-run cultural damage and, particularly, damage to the cause of Christ? I believe the chief goal of a Christian should be to glorify God and enjoy Him forever, not to glorify a politician and enjoy a temporary win. —M.O.

While we wait for new evidence to come forward, let’s talk not so much about what Roy Moore did or did not do, but what those who attack or defend the 70-year-old candidate from Alabama are saying.

In doing that, we need to separate what many commentators and pollsters are not differentiating: Accusations that Moore at age 32 had immoral and illegal sexual activity with a 14-year-old, and reports that he dated 17- and 18-year olds. The first, if true, should disqualify him from becoming a senator. The importance of the second to Moore’s current election prospects depends on whether he has a self-righteous understanding or a Christ-righteous belief.

Let’s mull over the JMC Analytics poll—taken before news of lawyer Gloria Allred bringing forward a new Moore accuser—that shows nearly two-fifths of Alabama evangelicals saying the accusations (undifferentiated) make them more likely to vote for Moore. Almost another two-fifths said the accusations make no difference in their voting plans.

That’s troubling but unsurprising, for three reasons. First, a poll from Winthrop University shows nearly half of white Southerners feeling they are under attack—and thus more likely to welcome a defender like Moore.

Second, the old saying “In for a dime, in for a dollar” can now be reversed to “In for a dollar, in for a dime.” Evangelicals who voted for presidential candidate Donald Trump despite his sexually degrading statements and apparent actions are also more likely to support a marred candidate for a lower post.

A third reason is also significant: Four decades ago women, especially in the South, often married earlier than is now the custom. Moore was a West Point graduate in a hardscrabble part of Alabama, so it’s not surprising that one mother thought Moore was "good husband material," and another thought her daughter would be "lucky" to date him.

This doesn’t mean it was right—I’ve seen professors taking advantage of college students, and I believe it’s similarly wrong for an assistant district attorney in Gadsden, Ala., to use that aura to kiss high school girls—but we should pay more attention to the testimony of Leigh Corfman, who was 14 in 1979, and not mix up the immoral with the inappropriate.

If Corfman’s testimony holds up, we should not give Moore a pass because his vote in the Senate could be politically important in the battle against abortion. Making decisions on that basis increases our cultural debasement—and that means more ruined lives and more dead babies. Basically, we need to be concerned more about the gospel than about any particular election. The Good News is not a favorable political poll but the Bible’s announcement that God saves sinners.

Evangelical discussions about Roy Moore will be fruitful if the Bible rather than an election becomes foremost in our thoughts.

Overall, evangelical discussions about Roy Moore will be fruitful if the Bible rather than an election becomes foremost in our thoughts. If we pretend that we or our favorite candidates have not sinned, we are self-righteously proclaiming that we don’t need Christ—because only His sacrifice on the cross makes it possible for God to be perfectly just and perfectly grace-giving. 

Liberal discussions about Moore can also be fruitful if they include a review of worldviews on the left. Yesterday evening I watched a film that came out in 1979, when Moore was 32. That year Woody Allen’s Manhattan centered on the romantic and sexual relationship of a 42-year-old character played by Allen and a 17-year-old character played by Mariel Hemingway (who was 17).

Manhattan received “universal acclaim” from movie reviewers, according to the Metacritic website. None of the reviews I saw criticized the basic premise. Roger Ebert wrote, “It wouldn't do, you see, for the love scenes between Woody and Mariel to feel awkward or to hint at cradle-snatching or an unhealthy interest on Woody's part in innocent young girls. But they don't feel that way: Hemingway's character has a certain grave intelligence.”

Hemingway makes comments such as, “I like it when you get an uncontrollable urge.” The Gershwin music in the background as the 42-year-old and the 17-year-old kiss in a Central Park carriage makes the scene seem romantic, not yucky. When Allen’s character temporarily decides to dump Hemingway’s and says, “This was supposed to be a temporary fling,” she responds, “We have great sex”—and he asks, “Why should I feel guilty about this?” (Not the sex, but the breakup.)

Woody Allen lost some supporters 25 years ago when he was in “a relationship” with actress Mia Farrow and entered into “a relationship” with (and later married) Farrow’s adopted daughter, Soon-Yi Previn. Manhattan’s reputation, though, survives: It is now #46 on the American Film Institute’s list of the 100 greatest American comedies—comedies, not tragedies. Hmm: Manhattan sophisticates can do as they please but Alabamans should not?

Overall, I hope we can all learn from this Moore discussion that it’s important to be concerned about the personal morality of those we elect to high positions—and ignoring character for political reasons has enormous cultural repercussions. In 1998 Bill Clinton normalized oral sex for many teens. This year Louis CK is normalizing a perverse exhibitionism. Should we also this year normalize predatory action among evangelicals?

Bottom line: We do a disservice to God’s holiness when we minimize sin. We do a disservice to God’s mercy when we maximize it. We do a disservice to evangelism when we say or believe winning an election is more important than telling the truth about God’s glory and our sinfulness. When our candidates are under pressure, we should convey this message: Nothing in my hand I bring / Simply to Thy cross I cling; / Naked, come to Thee for dress; / Helpless, look to Thee for grace; / Foul, I to the fountain fly; / Wash me, Savior, or I die.

Comments

  • AB
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 03:40 pm

    It just seems odd that this woman came forward just before the election.  Where was she when Moore was a judge or when he first came on the political scene as a Senatorial candidate.  It just seems fishy.  I think those supporting Moore think the voters should decide, not Gloria Aldred or accusations so far unproven.

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    Soapbxn
    Posted: Thu, 11/16/2017 12:26 am

    Completely agree.  

  • BLW
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 03:45 pm

    I didn't like or vote for Trump in the primary.  Still don't like his deportment, but did I vote for him in the general?  You bet, still better for the country than the alternative and nothing convincing of his action, only his immature and innapropriate bragadoccio.  I appreciate your distinction in the allegations about Roy Moore.  If the allegations of the 14 year old at the time are true (and sadly they seem convincing), he should be out without question - even if it means losing the seat.  We will have to be careful about allegations becoming an automatic disqualifier, though.  

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    CarolinaDave
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 03:53 pm

    I couldn't agree more that if Judge Moore did what he is accused of he is unfit for public office.  My problem is, how does one prove a crime committed 38 years ago?  Even Moses said someone couldn't be convicted of a crime based on the testimony of one witness.  Were there other witnesses at that time, particularly the 14 year old.  Did she tell her mother, or friends, at the time it happened?  Why did she wait 38 years to come forward?  If reasonable answers can be found to these questions, Mr. Moore should withdraw from the election.  Otherwise, we can't conclude that this wrongdoing actually occured.

  • Graced
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 04:40 pm

    I agree we have to look at evidence. However, please know that many, many, many 14 year olds are sexually abused and never say anything for years. The abuser, as part of the grooming process, often convinces them no one else cares, or that no one will believe them, or threatens harm if they tell. Blocking out incidents is also not unusual, resurfacing years later, often when a child becomes the same age they were when they were abused. I'm not saying false accusations don't happen or that I know what happened here. But I am saying that sexual abuse is complex, and comments like this discourage people from speaking up. 

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    Florida Cracker
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 11:21 am

    This is not a legal case, though btw in American justice we do not go by Moses, one witness being sufficient to convict. This is a politcal question for the public: Who has the greater credibility. See the writters and editors at National Review and conservative Senators who have withdrawn endorsements for conservatives who find the women more creidible

  • MTJanet
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 03:57 pm

    I think the problem here is knowing about Mr. Moore's reputation for years on end as a Bible believing Christian.  This woman accusing him is an unknown, and he is also stating that it is patently untrue.  I would give any Christian man the same "pass", if you will, in the same situation.  It is not a lack of understanding of how serious it sounds but rather the character of the person accused.  Again, I have to ask what would be accomplished for him to step aside if he is innocent?  Would he be obeying Christ?  These are hard things to know from the outside.  Let's hope that he indeed is innocent as far more is at stake than a mere election.  

  • OldMike
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 03:56 pm

    We can’t hide, minimize, or ignore our friends’ moral failings. Neither can we accept at face value all of the wild accusations the left makes about our friends. I’ve read (online) absolutely sickening and totally baseless allegations about evangelicals doing incredibly immoral things. Including totally baseless things about evangelicals I personally have known for years. 

    I suspect a bunch of Roy Moore’s increased support is coming from evangelicals because they, like I, are starting to assume any ugly thing out of a liberal’s mouth is just another lie. Also, that if the Left is against someone or something, we should assume that person or cause is worthy of our support.

    The left for years has adopted the idea that “truth” is whatever supports your goals. If destroying Roy Moore’s candidacy is to be achieved, all methods are valid. The “authors” of the despicable Protocols of the Elders of Zion were amateurs in comparison to today’s Left. 

  • Graced
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 04:01 pm

    Thank you for this piece. I have been sick to my stomach at some of the comments made by Moore defenders. So many versions of justifying the actions or attacking the accuser. One even said she'd rather vote for a pedophile than a Democrat (and used some coarse language in explaining why). I wanted to throw up at Sean Hannity's show last week. We cannot defend the indefensible. We CAN defend the process of evaluating evidence (reasonable doubt is not required for an election, only a court of law). 

     

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    Chrisi56
    Posted: Fri, 11/17/2017 01:43 pm

    Our world is going crazy calling every minor overture of men to women as sexual assault.  Now using the word pedophile intimates that Moore was into prebuscent children.  Only one of the accusations has him pursuing a 14-year-old.  The rest were 16, 17, and 18.  Those are hardly prebuscent.  And he had sex with none of them and stopped when they asked according to every account except the least credible, the one with the yearbook that looks obviously tampered with.  Is it the least bit possible in your mind that these women are lying and politically motivated? Is it really fair to call him a pedophile? Have you really seen enough evidence to judge this man?  Because all I've had access to is hearsay, (gossip) aside from seeing a picture of the actual yearbook and the fake tears of the most recent accuser.  And are you forgetting that this was 38 years ago, when he was unmarried? Are you believing the mall rumor that he was banned?  Because the mall manager came out and said they kept records of such things and there are no such records.

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    BobGutjahr
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 04:11 pm

    One consideration for the first 2/5 of the people who are more likely to vote for Moore is the prospect of fake news.  In 2004, Dan Rather pushed a narrative about George Bush's service in the National Guard even though CBS's own analysts considered the document a forgery.  Rather's defence was that even though it was a forgery, it was true.  Really?

    So, what do we have here?  We have a high profile, pro-abortion lawyer pushing the case.  The entire establishment is promoting the case in hopes that Moore will not be elected which would be a nightmare for both the Republican establishment and all liberals everywhere.  The timing is certainly suspicious -- think the Trump dossier.

    On the other hand, we are all sinners.  Is it possible that Moore is molester?  Sure, we are all sinners.  But is this Moore's sin?  We don't know, yet.  Are we being suckered by the establishment to keep someone out of the Senate the establishment thinks will "wreck the system"?  That is not clear either.  Does the Bible teach we should assume the worst?

    The media has discredited itself.  Much of the United States opinion leadership is more interested in its favored political outcome rather than the truth.  I suspect there will be no credible reporting to help bring the truth to light before the election.  It should not be too surpising people are willing to vote for people who who being highlighted by the establishment as bad actors.

  • Idaho Bob
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 04:18 pm

    The fact that Gloria Allred is now involved makes the accusations even more unbelievable.  This woman is nothing less than a progressive shill willing to do whatever it takes to harm any conservative who stands in the lefts way.

    Just more lies from the progressive left.  GA has been involved in nearly, if not all, of the leftist attacks on conservatives the last eight or so years.  Coincidentally (not at all), she and the accusers always disappear after the candidate drops out, or wins, the election. 

    This tactic has gotten really old. It seems like it is used for every conservative that runs for office, regardless of color.  They are accused of sexual relations, only to have all allegations and innuendos simply disappear once they drop out of, or win, the race.  More than likely, the same will happen here.

     

  • RMF
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 04:32 pm

    Thank you Marvin, for writing this out.

    The Gospel is not served by putting it aside because we "believe" someone who says he stands up for it despite what he does, has done, or is evident that he did even though he denies it. That is just weak and sinful Christian witness, I won't be a part of it in any way. They may not confess it now or even in this life, but there'll be no hiding from what they've done. Not for any of us

  • Bill C
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 04:37 pm

    Marvin, you are right on target again (as usual).  Scenarios like this are so difficult for outsiders/voters, for we have no real means of discerning who is being truthful and who is lying.  May God direct Mr. Moore, the accusers, and the voters.

  • Colorado Girl
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 04:55 pm

    Excellent, Marvin. Thank you. S

  • pensive
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 05:01 pm

    It seems to me that regardless of the merits of this article, it is inappropriately premature. The big problem is that it attempts to deal with the allegations ostensibly "if" they are true, but as a practical matter deals with them "as if" they are true. Given the coincidence of the timeing of the charges and the history of the left's many previous, and similar, smear campaigns (remember Herman Cain?) a healthy dose of judicial restraint is in order here. Better if Marvin had cautioned his readers, particularly Christians, not to rush to judgement of a man who has devoted a lifetime of honorable service so far, and at least give him a chance at a fair hering before treating him as if he is guilty. At this point we need to insist on due process rather than continually rehashing the seriousness of the accusations. To do so is to deprive him of a goal that he won fair and square, to represent his fellow Alabamians in the US Senate, even if he is innocent, a travesty from which he will never recover. Plenty of time to pile on after he is found guilty; his accusers have already waited for more than 40 years. 

  • cln
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 08:26 pm

    Agreed.

  • K VIND
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 05:03 pm

    What an honorable man your are, Mr. Olasky. It's as if you've listened to Bill Johnson at YouTube on "Making Demons Homeless," (one month ago) because of how crucial it is that we be honest and forthright. I just came across pastor Johnson's message this morning. 

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    Marvin
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 05:58 pm

    It seems that both Biblically and in our government a person is innocent until proven guilty. As this thing has risen so close to the election, it appears we have to assume Moore innocent until a trial has been fully experienced and then, if found guilty, he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

    Pretty hard to believe the late arrivals with this new evidence, trying to destroy a person when it is way too late to discern the truth. We cannot accept the behaviour that is being betrayed by the women. And we cannot accept hearsay to destroy a man with decades of service.

    That means voters much consider that he is innocent. And actually he is until proven otherwise.

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    austinbeartux
    Posted: Wed, 11/15/2017 09:59 am

    This was the most relevant and sensible comment I've read among all the others.

  • Willie
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 06:39 pm

    It concerns me that we so quickly believe accusers who come forward years later, a month before a critical election. The timing seems very suspicious. Yes, we should stand against immortal behavior, but if not true, what a shame to destroy Roy Moore. Then again, if true years ago and he is a repentant, changed man, should we condemn him? Remember that murderer named Paul who said, “And such were some of you.”

  • Allen Johnson
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 06:43 pm

    Excellent post, Marvin. Thank you.

    It is well-established that power balances are much more frequent in relationships of older men and younger women. Teen girls can get an ego boost when they receive attention and favors from an older man as it makes them feel grown up. Both of these factors makes one wary of the psychological makeup of Roy Moore. That is, does he try to obtain power imbalances to his favor? And is his methodology one of taking advantage of vulnerable persons.
    A second point that I will make concerns Christian dating. At Roy Moore's age of 32, he should not have been dating anyone unless he felt open to that person possibly becoming his wife. And these teenage girls were not prime age to enter into a mature marriage.

  • Jeffry
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 06:44 pm

    Your points are well taken but troublesome. I do not live in Alabama; I live in a deep Blue state so more often than not, I don't even get a real choice.

    Thoughts about the Judge Moore issue: 
    - The alligations are about events decades old and nothing has yet been proven.
    - Many have testified over the years to Judge Moore's moral, high-road character.
    - The current accusations are a cookie-cutter playbook from the left media.
    - I think an elected Senator is not immune from personal lawsuits begun before taking office. 

    Christians are often accused of shooting their wounded. I would not want to be accused of doing that.

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    BoyScout
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 07:11 pm

    The problem here is that you are letting the opponent dictate the terms of battle.  This is a political battle and the left is clearly trying to define Judge Moore's character and dicate apriori the necessary actions of the Alabama voters.  Their goal is to shame Moore and the voters into action based on partial knowledge.  They further define this action as a singular "right thing to do".  Politics is never that clear cut, never that pure, and the left is proving that it is is incapable of "doing the right thing".  

    Write the story, give us the facts, provide comparisons, offer alternatives, but please do not repeat what the opposition says as gospel and assume that is the only course of action.     

    Jim in Atlanta

  • cln
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 08:24 pm

    Reminds me of the Herman Cain event. That was probably a scandal. Many of these accusers are probably guilty of all kinds of vices...look at Clinton in the White House and many others who have been caught in vice and sin. No doubt many are never "caught." 

    I don't know Roy Moore personally. He may be a self righteous arrogant person. Or he may be a sincere humble believer. I always respected his stand with the Ten Commandments and that he didn't back down when he was persecuted for it. We need judges like that from what I could see. 

    Why did these accusations not come up earlier? The opponents know Republicans are fierce about immorality and so this a great way to get a punch in. 

    This smells of lies and deceit. If Mr. Moore is truly a believer and this is true he will/should admit it. If this is not true, he is right to keep on going and accept it as an attack. If he is not truly a believer and this is true, then it is horrible and it should have disqualified him from public office a long time ago. If it is true I am not sure why he would have ever run, knowing this could eventually show up and tarnish him publicly?

    Satan does not want men who uphold righteousness in influential public offices and he has his agents. They are scheming, skillful and appear as lights, but are full of darkness. 

    May the truth win.

     

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    Hans
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 04:33 am

    Yeah, you're right. We are so "fierce about immorality" that we elected Donald Trump, the "grab 'em by the p****" President. Later generations will look back and celebrate our high moral standards, I'm sure.

     

    Why did this not come up earlier? Look at the comments here from the alleged bastion of moral defenders and tell me that it would be no big deal for a high school girl to come forward and accuse a prominent male politician at least twice her age. She would be torn to shreds, just like all these women are now.

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    CaptTee
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 09:13 pm

    Once a social worker asked some leading questions to a foster child and the social worker and/or the 3 year old confused me with the biological father and I was accused of inappropriately touching a 3 year old girl.

    If I hadn't been able to prove I was out of the country at the time of the incident the only defense I would have had was my good character.

    "The seriousness of the charge" means nothing without proof.

    Charges that pop up at the last minute before an election, should always be viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism!

  • MikeD
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 09:22 pm

    Two Points:

    1) IF - It's a huge word and it encompasses most of what has been said in previous comments, and it includes the presence of Gloria Allred in the discussion.

    2) 38 years - Even if there is (some) truth to the accusations against Moore, is the man running for Senate today the same man accused of these acts 38 years ago? If he had repented of such behavior and now stands for a moral position that would accuse his own behavior, should we categorically hold that earlier behavior against him today? I am making that argument from a hypothetical perspective because I do not know a great deal about Moore's background.

     

    I am not so concerned at the moment about our willingness to give him a pass as I am about our willingness to immediately condemn him on the basis of unproven allegations that he has denied. If this is all the Left needs to do, we have caved in to them - again.

     

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    Chrisi56
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 11:11 pm

    Yes, and I am more worried about Senators who call for him to step aside based on these flimsy accusations, disenfranchising the Alabama voters and not a word about Senator Menendez who is accused of worse things, indicted, meaning a prosecutor has deemed the evidence enough to get a conviction.  I'm not saying I want them to but the silence shows that this is purely political,  The Senators are considering not seating Moore if he wins or ousting him in some other way.  They are the ones who need to resign!

  • DCal3000
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 09:39 pm

    At the moment, I believe Roy Moore to be guilty and will pray he steps aside in this election.  If I lived in Alabama, I would not cast my vote for him.  One thing that concerns me with evangelical politics right now, however, is the rapidity with which we attack each other as voters.  Last year's presidential election and this year's election in Alabama have become a debate as much about the morality of evangelical voters as the morality of the candidates.  We need to condemn those voters who openly excuse sin, but many voters--including many Roy Moore, Doug Jones, Donald Trump, and Hillary Clinton voters--do not do that.  They vote in ways they think will help their communities and their countries, and they do not deserve to be mocked for having to make hard choices, even if they err.  Candidates often reflect the morality of their cultures, but even so, it can be dangerous to attribute the personal sins of candidates to their voters.  Over the last few months, including in this column, I have seen Trump's sins attributed to his voters, and this week, I have seen Moore's sins attributed to his voters.  Some voters, who excuse those sins, deserve that attribution.  But others do not.  And if we continue to insist on making such sweeping allegations against our neighbors--based solely on their votes--then the American experiment has already failed. 

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    Brendan Bossard
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 10:34 pm

    Some thoughts:

    * Voting is not jury duty.  Voting day frequently comes before we have enough facts to put us beyond reasonable doubts.  Some Christ-followers will feel morally obligated to vote for Roy Moore on that day; some will feel morally obligated not to vote for him.  Let us be magnanimous to each other in the light of Romans 14.

    * Sen. McConnell jumped the gun when he said that he believes the accusers.  On the other hand, they who automatically accuse the women of lying are doing the same thing.  The jury is still out, and all of us need to reserve judgment in this matter.  We must not bear false witness against anyone.

    * If Judge Moore is truly the man of God that he claims to be, then he may want to be a bit more humble.  Daniel, who did no recorded wrong, submitted to authorities even when wrongly accused.  David, who did wrong, submitted to the consequences.  Both let God fight for them.  History lauds both.  Whether or not he did wrong, Judge Moore will be much more successful if he lets God fight for him.

    * Gloria Allred appears to be more ambulance chaser than idealogue.  She specializes in representing aggrieved women in high-profile cases.  Her victims' ideologies do not matter.  Her presence in this affair does not necessarily indicate a political hack-job.

  • DCal3000
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 10:20 pm

    Sound advice! Thanks!

  • Joe Long
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 10:27 pm

    Regarding 'pensive's' comment:  Perfect! This article sounded like The Washington Post. 

     

     

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    Chrisi56
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 11:02 pm

    It infuriates me that you have proceeed to analyze this episode as if it were true.   Doing so gives credibility to the report and assumes the worst, pressuring a possible innocent man into giving up and stepping aside.  It would be better if you as an influential voice in the media would ask the questions that need to be asked.  Proverbs says that a man's case may seem right until he (or she in this case) is cross-examined.  At this point it is pure gossip and we should be defending a man being inundated with accusations from 38 years ago.  Where is consistent outrage against Senator Menendez?  This reeks of political dirty tricks and you are perpetuating it!

  • RMF
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 11:20 pm

    I believe these women have come forward now because recent reports of sexual abuse and harassment in other places has helped them find their voice. And to be honest, they probably feel the stink is reaching high heaven and want to put a stop to Moore. So what?

    He is a man who has repeatedly  placed himself above not only the rule of law, but the rule of institutions put in place by our founding fathers, based on his own feelings. I don’t find it hard to believe that a man like that, who would defy the law and our system, would have any trouble doing as he pleases with anyone.

    And he dares to equate the success of his campaign with the certainty of the Gospel! His hubris is boundless and he will pay the price.

  • AZ Jeff
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 02:40 am

    By issuing a non-denial denail on Hannity, Moore as much as said it was true. I would not be the first to observe this either, just one of many.

  • Charles Hodges
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 11:19 pm

    Let's see.  The 10 Commandments include "Thou shalt not commit adultery" and "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."  Moore is not quite accused of breaking the first, and his accusers are accused of breaking the second.  When you make the accusation against Moore seem more serious than the accusation against his accusers you show a serious misalignment with God's priorities in establishing boundaries for His people and how much He hates false witness.  You are more concerned about the ages of the girls than about God's view of false witness.  We teach that Mary was about the same age as the youngest girl in this matter when she had Jesus.  Are you so sure God is upset with her age?

  • Doug Adee
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 11:35 pm

    Two points. It hasn't been determined if what the woman claimed happened. The timing smells like a political hack job meant purely to discredit a fine man who has a history as a man of charistain faith and one who stands up for his faith.

    Second, even if what was claimed was true, who among us has never sinned? Who among us who claim to be christian that has confessed and repented of their sin cannot claim Christ's redemption, and been born a new creation in Christ? Who among us can question whether or not Roy Moore, a professed Christian, has not also been redeemed and born again as a new creation in Christ, and thus have his sins washed clean by the blood of Jesus?

    As a Christian based publication I seriously question the hatchet job by Marvin Olasky apparently assuming that Roy Moore, because he desires to be a public servant, is to be considered any less a reborn creation in Christ than any of the rest of us. We have all sinned and fallen short, including Marvin Olasky, and jumping on a band wagon to crucify him before we know all the facts is akin to the actions of the Jews calling for Christ's crucification 2,000 years ago. 

  • CRAIG ALEXANDER
    Posted: Mon, 11/13/2017 11:48 pm

    Mr. Olasky - while I agree with much of what you are saying, your article only covered one part of this - "If Moore is guilty of the accusations"  You did not cover the possiblity that he is not guilty and this is a political set up (like the fact that the accusations came forward AFTER it was no longer possible legally to remove his name from the ballot in favor of another candidate).  You do not consider or give your opinion of what an innocent Christian man should do in this situation.  I am not saying Judge Moore is innocent - only he and the accusors can answer that.  But if a Christian person is accused of such evil and if he or she is innocent - what should he or she do?  Run away?  Hide? Withdraw and allow the opposing candidate to walk into the office effectively unopposed? Or stand and fight? The slant of your article is that Judge Moore is guilty, we as Christians should not support such candidates, and we devalue our standards (and witness) by supporting them.  But you don't say what we should do if they claim innocence or are actually innocent.  The implication from your ariticle is that we should not believe him and we should abandon him and allow a man who supports the opposite of our values have this seat in the U.S. Senate.     

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    Chrisi56
    Posted: Fri, 11/17/2017 01:49 pm

    Amen!

     

  • Cyborg3's picture
    Cyborg3
    Posted: Sat, 11/18/2017 05:32 pm

    Great comment!  When Christian Magazines start doing hatchet jobs against Christian candidates, maybe it is time to start a new magazine! 

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    colorpet
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 12:24 am

    Olasky - This one you may should have left well enough alone. The point you are trying to make is adrift.

  • MamaC
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 12:34 pm

    The point he was making is confirmed by most of these comments. Sickening!

  • GARY VANDER HART
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 12:43 am

    A close friend of Roy Moore,  Dr. Klingenschmidt wrote the following:

    "With their mouths the godless destroy their neighbors, but through knowledge the righteous escape," --Proverbs 11:9 (NIV)

    First of all, I believe his word over some lying women, considering that...
    a) some of them admittedly campaigned for Hillary Clinton and endorsed Doug Jones
    b) some of them were allegedly offered money for their false reporting
    c) one of them also falsely accused three pastors of the same misconduct
    d) none of them have reported a crime, ever committed by Roy Moore, not even now.

    I also believe Roy Moore's explanation when, he told Sean Hannity: 

    "I don’t know Ms. Corfman from anybody. I never talked to her, never had any contact with her. Allegations of sexual misconduct with her are completely false," Moore said.

    Brian Fischer wrote the following: 

    Moore's accuser openly admits that she has credibility problems as a witness. She's gone bankrupt three times, has tangled with the IRS, and has been through three divorces. "There is no one here that doesn't know that I'm no angel."

    According to this report, Ms. Corfman has made a cottage industry out of making false and slanderous accusations of sexual impropriety against Christian leaders. According to a neighbor, "she...went to various churches within our denomination and accused at least three other pastors besides an uncle of ours [of] making sexual advances at her. Each time that she brought it to a District board for Alabama they found her to be uncredible [sic] and she changed her story many times."

    In addition, Leigh Corfman may not have been 14 at the time, as the Washington Post claimed, but several years older. Marion Talley, who lives in Etowah County and believes her brother actually dated Leigh Corfman in 1976, says this would have made Ms. Corfman at least 17 years old in 1979. We can be quite certain the age question will be resolved in short order, an item that is only relevant, of course, if anything actually happened.

    She even tried to file legal charges in one instance in 2007 or so but got laughed out of court. "Additionally, she tried to sue a pastor in one of the sections within our denomination and the Circuit Judge would not hear the case."      Submitted by Gary Vander Hart,  Sioux Center, Iowa

  • Elizabeth
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 07:14 am

    Yes!  Now, if only the "legitimate" news outlets would get off of their pontificating egos and go do some investigative reporting.  World?  

     

  • Brendan Bossard's picture
    Brendan Bossard
    Posted: Wed, 11/15/2017 09:38 pm

    joanbvh, the sources you cited are very shaky.  The first one is an incomplete, unsourced quote.  The second is basically gossip.  Can you provide better sources?

  • AZ Jeff
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 02:35 am

    Ref, "Accusations that Moore at age 32 had immoral and illegal sexual activity with a 14-year-old, and reports that he dated 17- and 18-year olds . . . should disqualify him from becoming a senator." We ought not be sloppy in our Biblical thinking.  While I take your point, Paul killed Christians before becoming an apostle.  No one is beyond redemption.  That Roy had not repented is the issue here.  He has dissembled with with non-denial denials. Sins of the past we all have.  How Roy deals with them is a problem, and the problem politically and Biblically.

  • Ken
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 05:53 am

    This statement of yours troubles me: "If Corfman’s testimony holds up, we should not give Moore a pass because his vote in the Senate could be politically important in the battle against abortion. Making decisions on that basis increases our cultural debasement—and that means more ruined lives and more dead babies."

    It doesn't trouble me because I am a defender of Roy Moore, I most certainly am not, and if the accusations are true, they are reprehensible. It troubles me because I am an Alabama voter marred in quite a bog. We have one candidate who is pro-choice without public accusations of past sins. We have a second candidate who is pro-life dealing with public accusations of past sins. Marvin, who is without sin? It is a legitimate question, I think.

    With only two currently viable candidate options, shall I choose pro-choice, pro-life, or stay home and not vote? Also, based on your reasoning, I am curious how choosing the pro-choice candidate would lead to fewer "ruined lives" and fewer "dead babies"

  • SweetHome
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 10:00 pm

    Ken said:  <<

    I am curious how choosing the pro-choice candidate would lead to fewer "ruined lives" and fewer "dead babies"

    <<

    I, too, am interested in the answer on this.  Not a fan of Moore even before all this, however, what options do Christians who are pro-life have?  This isn't being addressed or answered in most of the discussions I've read.

     

  • Elizabeth
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 07:45 am

    As a Gov. Bentley/Luther Strange wearied and sick Alabama voter, the corruption in this state is Shakespearean-Faulknerian.  This political system is the wagon with the dead body being carted all over the countryside...

    Saying this as someone who mistrusts all politicians, including Roy Moore...This convenient "scandal" SMACKS of a hit job with deep pockets.  A Washington cabal trying to influence elections?  Washington elites think that they can go to Alabama and overturn and over-rule an electorate of non-elites.  

    After thinking to leave this next Alabama Senate election to anyone else who wants to go fiddle with it, I will probably go cast my vote for Mr. Moore.  I did this last time in order to help keep the Washington Elite Choice, Luther Strange, out.  Thanks, Marvin.  Your all over the place essay combined with yesterday's mainstream news hysteria helps make up my mind.

    I find all this gossip being printed as news eminently interesting, as I had the misfortune to live in Gadsden, Alabama- near Noccalula Falls, a place that was referenced in some stories yesterday.  Granted, I was a mere kid, but I never remember hearing the gossip that was "common" about Moore.  Also, I was apparently never approached by him.  When, years later, working as a representative for an area newspaper, having the occasion to several times visit one of Moore's businesses, I never witnessed anything untoward, never heard about anything.  Though there was surely gossip about other well known people of the area.  My anecdote doesn't count as news any more than anecdotes from other people of the area.  Then again, maybe it does.

  • Reformer
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 07:57 am

    Regarding M. Olasky 's article about Judge Moore: is Mr Olasky implying that King David was no longer fit to be king after his affair with Bathsheba, and subsequent murder or Uriah?

    Herb Seigler

    Chapin, SC

     

  • Karrie Pope
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 08:26 am

    This is all so disheartening. All of it. I can't even put into words what it is like to read through all of this. It's like we've lost our everloving minds. Almost every comment here did not even address Mr. Olasky's point: we all need Christ and should not defame his name or the Gospel for any candidate..whether he is guilty or innocent of innaporpriate or illegal activity. The end. The Gospel is what matters. Always. Looking through that lens is what is important. Yes, this could be a liberal hack job but Judge Moore doesn't get a "pass" just b/c he's a professing believer, if anything we need to be even MORE (no pun intended) sure he is innocent.  That doesn't mean guilty until proven innocent, it just means that we take these ladies seriously, even if we believe the timing is wrong or whatever. Yes, Christians are under attack in our nation and that is serious but the answer isn't shaking our fists and railing about liberal news or dismissing innapropriate behavior because a man says he's a believer...it's in our humble submission to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Our God is the same God of Abraham, Isacc, Jacob, and David. He is the one who raises up kings (and senators.) It is by His mighty hand that they fall. We can trust him. I love my country. I will vote because it is good and right but my salvation is not in America or based on whether my idology is in the White House. It is in Christ alone. That, I believe is the point Mr. Olasky was trying to make. It's about perspective. And a good reminder at that.

  • Graced
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 11:17 am

    I thought of this situation and several others when I read Isaiah 30:1-5 this morning. For too long evangelicals have "trusted in horses" by putting hope in the political realm. I believe God is allowing that to crumble so that idol can be destroyed. 

    1 “What sorrow awaits my rebellious children,”
        says the Lord.
    “You make plans that are contrary to mine.
        You make alliances not directed by my Spirit,
        thus piling up your sins.
    2 For without consulting me,
        you have gone down to Egypt for help.
    You have put your trust in Pharaoh’s protection.
        You have tried to hide in his shade.
    3 But by trusting Pharaoh, you will be humiliated,
        and by depending on him, you will be disgraced.
    4 For though his power extends to Zoan
        and his officials have arrived in Hanes,
    5 all who trust in him will be ashamed.
        He will not help you.
        Instead, he will disgrace you.”

  • MamaC
    Posted: Sun, 11/19/2017 05:40 pm

    Amen and Amen!!

     

  • Jeffry
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 08:28 am

    Please remove my comments. The with more revelations the my comments are irrevelant.

  • Brendan Bossard's picture
    Brendan Bossard
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 01:50 pm

    I only see one posting by you, and it was very reasonable, regardless of new revelations.  I do not believe that you have anything to be ashamed of.

  • Florida Cracker's picture
    Florida Cracker
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 11:16 am

    I'll quote myself: (Even if allegations are not true) "There are few things that could set back the reputation and effectiveness of Evangelical Christianity more than a man who would behave as a Senator as Mr. Moore did as a Judge. "

  • Florida Cracker's picture
    Florida Cracker
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 11:38 am

    If my earlier attempt to post is under review, please ignore this. I am reposting so that, if I failed successful There are few things that could set back the reputation and effectiveness of Evangelical Christianity than a man who would behave as a Senator as Mr. Moore did as a Judge. to post it, I may do so now. 

    I will quote myself: (Even if the allegations prove untrue), We need in office, not men and women like Judge Moore, but men and women willing to operate under our system of government, to obey the law themselves, and to work for change by lawful means. And those are the sort of people, regardless of their religious beliefs or lack of them, we as Christians ought to want to see in office, most especially when those running for office are professing Christians. There are few things that could set back the reputation and effectiveness of Evangelical Christianity than a man who would behave as a Senator as Mr. Moore did as a Judge. 

    For more go to https://justacurmudgeon.blogspot.com/

  • Web Editor
    Posted: Thu, 11/16/2017 12:04 pm

    Due to a technical glitch, newer comments were not appearing here (including one the Web Editor wrote Wednesday morning announcing Marvin Olasky’s update posted at the beginning of this article). We have fixed the glitch and apologize for the delay in your comments displaying.

  • Marilyn Jean
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 04:35 pm

    Your commentary, Mr. Olasky, is very appropriate, but it is glaringly obvious that the Democrats know how to aggitate the Christian base by finding an appropriately aged person to come out and declare his alleged sins for a few dollars.  Herman Cain was put out of the running, and it seems so obvious that they chose this moment to drum up the story.  Wickedness!!  The arm of the Lord is not shortened.  If He wants Roy Moore in the Senate, he will be there.  I know you cannot write about the wickedness of the opposition unless you could obtain hard facts, but that to me is a more compelling story that the "who knows if it is true or not" story.

  • ANN HUGO
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 05:55 pm

    I would fully agree that we should not support anyone involved in immoral/inappropriate behavior. Something that troubles me is how far back do we go? If this is proven to be true, is what happened 30 years ago relevant to a current election if there has been nothing since? And if the person repented of/rejected this behavior and changed, what should the restrictions on them be? The really "old" allegations trouble me, but I am unconvinced that they should eliminate someone from...well, anything... What is a biblical time table?

  • NANCY CRAWFORD
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 08:38 pm

    Scripture puts bearing true witness close to the apex of Christian virtues because it is indispensable to civil order and a godly society. 

    It also sternly warns about the power of the tongue to 'set the world aflame.' Journalists should take additional care because "in many words... is sin." 

    Your piece about Roy Moore's recent trouble is opportunistic, self-serving, shallow, and unprincipled. Sadly, Christian magazines  have the same temptation as others to run with the herd and gain respectability among peers by appearing "current" and "relevant" (maybe more temptation). 

     

    I dare say, beside reading various media accounts, you have no real knowledge of what truly happened in this matter. Shame on you, Mr Olasky, for wading in with such reckless words as "Should we also this year normalize predatory action among evangelicals?" Shame on you. 

    Moreover, your conflating our universal condition as sinners with this man's unproven accusation of specific sins is sloppy logic and spiritual shallowness which does the devil's work. About this, our laws declare we are 'innocent until proven guilty' despite our sinful natures. 

    Without that safeguarding principle we might all be accused of anything by anyone. But the 'court of public opinion' has no such protection and the media profits from a 'great' story without regard to standards of proof. You know that and it should have restrained you. 

    Not for nothing is Satan called the "accuser" and he doesn't need your careless help. Scripture says "we can do nothing against the truth, only for it." You've done nothing for it! 

     

    World Magazine has been diminished, and you owe the readers a much better example of "Christ-righteousness" yourself. 

     

  • Joe F
    Posted: Tue, 11/14/2017 10:51 pm

    I'm unclear why World would be joining mainstream media to even question Moore's morality at this point - before he is found guilty or has admitted any wrongdoing.  We should be concerned with how this situation will be handled by his church Elders, then if there are secular charges made against him.  How can we Christians dive straight away into the morality debate without a clear understanding of his guilt or innocence?  In doing so, we go directly where the secularists want to direct the conversation.

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    Cyborg3
    Posted: Wed, 11/15/2017 12:09 am

    Marvin, but what if the allegations are all wrong and lies by the left.  Your mind seems to be incapable of distrusting the liberal leftist MSM that they would pull a fast one on you. You remind me of Charlie Brown and Lucy with the football.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MmFfTJlIvhQ

    But how many times are the liberal leftist going to pull away the football before you see the evil they really are?  If you are wrong on this and you have falsely accused Judge Roy Moore of wrongdoing, do you understand how evil this is?  You have passed judgement on him from day one! 

     

     

  • DCal3000
    Posted: Wed, 11/15/2017 12:33 am

    I think it important to note that several days have now gone by, and Roy Moore has offered no evidence against his accusers even though he claims to have had such evidence.  He has also poked no holes in the consistenty of their stories.  

  • veritas's picture
    veritas
    Posted: Sun, 11/19/2017 03:48 pm

    How does one prove what did NOT happen 38 years later? 24/7 video of his life showing that he did not do or say the things the accusers said he did? Seriously, I have a 10 year old child, and these things were said to have happened when I was 1 year old! We have a statute of limitations for a reason. The onus is on the accusers to provide evidence, not on those who are presumed to be innocent. . . 

  • Cyborg3's picture
    Cyborg3
    Posted: Wed, 11/15/2017 08:40 am

    The assumption is being made that Roy Moore is guilty, but is this really the case?  Certainly, the left would not pay off women to level charges against Judge Moore, would they? When would be the best timing to attempt this devilry? Oh, funny, it would be now! 

    The irony in Beverly's press conference was that she feigned being emotionally distraught about the alleged sexual assault that happened 40 years ago, but earlier she claimed to have supported Trump proving this was no political attack. But why would an emotional distraught woman over groping and an alleged assault support Trump a man recorded talking about groping women! This just doesn't add up!  

  • Web Editor
    Posted: Wed, 11/15/2017 09:18 am

    Please see the update posted at the top of this column, where Marvin Olasky responds to the comments here and emails he's received about this column.

  • John Kloosterman
    Posted: Wed, 11/15/2017 08:31 pm

    It's ridiculous this even needs to be said.  Apparently the only important point about politicians anymore is whether they're on "our" side.  Their morality only becomes important when they're non-Christians.

  • Brendan Bossard's picture
    Brendan Bossard
    Posted: Wed, 11/15/2017 10:16 pm

    The National Review published a thoughtful column that is directly relevant to this discussion.

  • Midwest preacher
    Posted: Thu, 11/16/2017 05:46 am

    I guess I would have to assume that all the evidence Moore's accusers have has been presented.  The question then would become:  Should I vote for a man who is accused of something vile or the other candidate who activily promotes something vile (actually several things that are vile)?  I am not happy about the accusations but I am aware of how the left works.  I am glad I don't have to vote on this one.  Voting is getting rediculous.  

  • Florida Cracker's picture
    Florida Cracker
    Posted: Thu, 11/16/2017 09:58 am

    Very serious allegations have been made against Judge Roy Moore, a vocal Christian, who is the Republican nominee to fill the unexpired term of former Alabama Senator and now Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Some Christians see these allegations as another attack on a Christian in public life. A growing number of political and religious leaders appear to be abandoning Judge Moore and putting pressure on him to withdraw from the race so that the Republicans can mount a vigorous write-in campaign.

    In the interests of full disclosure, two thing: 1. I favored Luther Strange over Roy Moore in the Primary. 2. At this point I find the allegations more convincing than the denials. However, here I want to ask: Apart from the present allegations against him, is Judge Moore qualified to to serve as a Senator and to represent evangelical Christianity?

    Apart from the allegations of sexual activity with a 14 year old and a 16 year old, I do not think him qualified. I expressed this view during the Republican primary. I said before (Roy Moore: God's Man?), and I say again the he is a lawless man, or perhaps, a law unto himself, or, perhaps I should say, a typical American evangelical (he is a Baptist, see Protestants Are Too Much like Baptists) who elevates his own conscience above the authority of church or state.

    He has twice been removed as Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court for civil disobedience. The first time he refused a federal court order to remove a Ten Commandments monument he had installed in the Supreme Court building. The Alabama Court of the Judiciary said: "Indeed, we recognize that the acknowledgment of God is very much a vital part of the public and private fabric of our country...(but) the highest judicial officer of this state had decided to defy a court order" and, therefore had to be removed.

    The second time (officially he was suspended for the rest of his term without pay), in defiance of federal court decisions, he instructed probate judges not to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples. The Alabama Court of the Judiciary found he had violated the Code of Judicial Ethics and wrote: "This case is not about whether same-sex marriage should be permitted...Moreover, this is not a case to review or to editorialize about US Supreme Court's June 2015 decision, a decision that some members of this court did not personally agree with or think was well-reasoned." Rather, they found Moore's action ""grossly inconsistent with his duties" and "incomplete, misleading and manipulative." In fact, these judges found Moore's offenses in this case to be worse than his earlier defiance of a court order.

    I know some Christians will say, "But Judge Moore followed a higher law, God's." Some of the same folks will say, "We need God-fearing men in office." No, he did not follow a higher law, unless Judge Moore's understanding of his duty is to supersede not only federal courts but Holy Scripture (Romans 13:1-7, 1 Peter 2:12-17, both written with the government of the Roman Empire, and specifically Nero, in mind). Nor is Judge Moore God-fearing so far as these two matters are concerned.

    We need in office, not men and women like Judge Moore, but men and women willing to operate under our system of government, to obey the law themselves, and to work for change by lawful means. And those are the sort of people, regardless of their religious beliefs or lack of them, we as Christians ought to want to see in office, most especially when those running for office are professing Christians.

    There are few things that could more set back the reputation and effectiveness of Evangelical Christianity than a man who would behave as a Senator as Mr. Moore did as a Judge.

    William H. Smith in Water Valley, MS

  • DAVID MCCOY
    Posted: Thu, 11/16/2017 10:14 am

    We have to be so careful allowing allegations to automatically become a disqualifier.  How does one defend themself?  It's amazing how quickly a "lynch mob" can form in the wake of sexual misconduct allegations.  No trial, never been indicted, never been a chance to measure up to his accusers.  And, really?  Are you going to believe the Washington Post on the face of it when it's been proven that they have been posting lots of fake and misleading news?  And, Gloria Allred?  We know her reputation and it isn't good.  When Beverly Nelson appeared with her, I started questioning Mrs. Nelson.  Rush Limbaugh said this the other day, which I find really disturbing: "I’m just saying that this allegation is a real, real tough one to defend against. And it’s always going to be one of the arrows in the quiver. And what’s happening now is pure, solid evidence of the effectiveness of it."  He was not defending Judge Moore, just saying how effective this can be against an opponent because it is so hard to defend. 

    New information has just come out from Judge Moore regarding the yearbook and Beverly Nelson lying about not having contact with him later in life. Will World update?

  • Web Editor
    Posted: Thu, 11/16/2017 12:00 pm

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  • nevertheless
    Posted: Fri, 11/17/2017 10:13 am

    Oh, come on. Comparing Roy Moore with Woody Allen? Look, the character assasination of Roy Moore is one of the greatest political hit jobs in American history. The Democrats shoot the Republican body politic in the foot, and then the Repulican shoots himself in his other foot. In my estimation this (the Republican Party) is absolutley the stupidest, most self destructive, self defeating political party in modern history. It is really demoraizing having to be aligned with those who are building dikes and blocking the drain pipes to preserve the putrid waterways of Washington D.C..

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    Chrisi56
    Posted: Fri, 11/17/2017 01:24 pm

    Whatever happened to Deuteronomy 15:19?  " A single witness shall not rise up against a man on account of any iniquity or any sin which he has committed; on the evidence of two or three witnesses a matter shall be confirmed. "  Each of these accusations are a separate matter. And I can't believe the people saying if it's true he's unfit for office!  This was 38 years ago.  38 YEARS!  This was not murder or rape or bank robbery!  It was a man being rude and boorish. 

  • Wayne Asbury
    Posted: Sat, 11/18/2017 12:59 pm

    I think you want Deuteronomy 19:15.  The other verse is talking about animals. If you continue in Deuteronomy 19 you will see that even false accusations require "a thorough investigation" (19:18). I think that is what most people who read World magazine want which is why we are having this very lengthy discussion.

  • Wayne Asbury
    Posted: Sat, 11/18/2017 03:06 pm

    I think you want Deuteronomy 19:15.  The other verse is talking about animals. If you continue in Deuteronomy 19 you will see that even false accusations require "a thorough investigation" (19:18). I think that is what most people who read World magazine want which is why we are having this very lengthy discussion. I don't know why this posted twice? I tried to erase one but it didn't work.

  • veritas's picture
    veritas
    Posted: Sun, 11/19/2017 03:43 pm

    So we are to believe that Judge Roy Moore roamed the malls, stalked and molested teenage girls like a psycopath in 1977 thru 1982, and then went on to live a squeaky clean life for the next 38 years? His lifelong wife's testimony as a character witness is to be discarded? Judge Roy Moore denies the alligations, but we must believe the women, that he must have been a psycopath in the late 70's. If his life does not give him some credibility, then EVERYONE is at risk of someone coming out with any wild accusation, and the public believing it. Judge Roy Moore is a real threat to the power structure in DC, and they spent 30 Million dollars to defeat him. We have a statute of limitations for a reason. Either the women should provide evidence like a photo or something.

  • Pemberley
    Posted: Tue, 11/21/2017 03:14 pm

    I read some of the comments here and don't have time to read them all; so please excuse me if someone has mentioned this before. I appreciated the recommended balance of this article along with Mr. Olasky's reference to the Woody Allen film. I don't speak from knowledge of that film in particular; I haven't seen the movie. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a movie with Allen in it. BUT, (and here again, I haven't seen this movie because I was aware of the premise), the train of thought brought to my mind the movie AMERICAN BEAUTY. Was this not also an extremely well received movie in which a middle aged man lusted after a friend of his daughter's? And let us not forget the CHEERS character, Sam Malone. With this latter example I am more familiar because the series was one I watched when it originally aired, and before I became a Christian. We can barely scratch the surface because no doubt there would be a plethora of examples. So while this culture that's been created for amusement doesn't excuse the conduct in real life, it certainly points to a place wherein lies some of the culpability!

    I can't speak to the Roy Moore issue with much knowledge. I agree with both sides that if he's guilty, he should come to the carpet with confession and repentance, and as much restitution as possible. But we DO need to be careful that accusations alone do not destroy a person's life and reputation. Today in this culture, one thinks nothing at all about murdering a person's reputation! We as a race are so prone to error. Like Christian in the Valley of the Shadow of Death, there are great chasms on either side of the Way, and the Way is extremely narrow. And let us remember the warning of Paul, "Let he, who thinks he stands, take heed, lest he fall." I can heartily say with the hymn writer "Prone to wander, Lord I feel it--Prone to leave the God I love."

  • JASON POLOUS
    Posted: Thu, 11/23/2017 10:07 pm

    I see 2 huge problems with this article.
    1. There's a presumption that Moore is guilty of these extremely convenient last minute charges.      Aside form the fact that most of them involve only unwanted attention and do not accuse him  of any sexual wrongdoing - Moore denied them all. It's not fair to condemn him just yet.

    2. Bill Clinton had years of "hound-dogging" before he became President, continued with it as President and even after he left office. Even some liberals admit that the evidence of 50 years of this is overwhelming for anyone who wants to examine it. On the othe hand, Judge Roy Moore has had 40 years of an exemplary life by all accounts. Is it fair to compare him with Bill Clinton?

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    DEBORAH BRIXEN
    Posted: Fri, 11/24/2017 11:24 am

    I don't know if this article has been cited here or not but I decided to post the link.  

    charismanews.com/politics/68409-to-the-christian-community-you-are-being-played-about-roy-moore

     

  • Fin's picture
    Fin
    Posted: Mon, 12/11/2017 03:50 pm

    Here's what's informing my vote.

    Roy Moore has publicly supported religious freedom, traditional Christian values, and limiting federal intrusion into areas reserved to the states in his rulings from the bench.

    Doug Jones has publicly supported abortion and homosexual marriage, both definitely unChristian positions. And in a recent Economist interview he seemed to question the Christianity of people whose Christianity is different than his. In fact, in his comments Jones seemed to confuse orthodox Christian beliefs with southern culture, a culture he had little sympathy for.

    It's not hard for me to decide who to vote for.

    In Alabama.

  • SAWGUNNER
    Posted: Wed, 12/13/2017 09:14 am

    Descriptions of Woody Allen's attempts at actually having off screen relationships with young female costars are widely available.