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Three days after Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, dropped out of the Republican presidential primary following a resounding defeat in Indiana, WORLD asked several dozen evangelical insiders to share their thoughts on billionaire businessman Donald Trump’s seemingly clear path to the GOP nomination.

The results: They’re split down the middle, but two-thirds of the “never Trump” participants remain committed to that position.

Seventy-seven participants responded to our 10th online survey about the 2016 presidential contests, and while the questionnaire isn’t scientific or representative of all evangelicals, it offers a glimpse into what some influential Christians think about the race for the White House.

About half of the latest survey’s respondents (51 percent) said they would never vote for Trump “no matter what.” The other half could be open to voting for Trump depending on certain conditions, chiefly the candidate’s choice of a Supreme Court nominee or a vice presidential running mate.

Forty-seven percent said they would consider voting for Trump if he pledged to appoint a strong pro-life justice to the Supreme Court, and 36 percent said a vice presidential pick could persuade them to vote for the candidate.

(Some write-in suggestions for a vice presidential candidate showed signs of voter apathy: Kanye West, Gary Busey, and Satan, because then Trump would be “honest in branding.” Others gave serious recommendations, but no one candidate emerged as a choice of the majority.)

Respondents also identified the top three issues they consider when choosing a candidate: abortion, religious freedom in the United States, and Supreme Court nominations.

Notably, all three issues have a direct relation to the Supreme Court makeup, and they are not among the top issues Trump supporters often cite: the economy and immigration.

What about a third-party candidate? When asked if they would support a third-party candidate in a Clinton/Trump contest, 46 percent of respondents said, “Yes, on principle, even if the candidate had no chance to win.” Nearly 29 percent said, “Yes, but only if the candidate had a chance to win.” Twenty-one percent said they would vote for Trump, and 1 percent said they would vote for Clinton. Those numbers were close to survey results on the same question in mid-March.

Though some conservative pundits and at least one conservative lawmaker, Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., have pushed for a third-party option, no organized effort to mount such a long-shot bid has emerged yet in public. Still, the GOP faces an urgent task to push Republican voters dissatisfied with Trump to turn out and vote in other contests that will determine whether Congress remains in GOP hands.

For survey participants who identified as a “never Trump person,” one data point was clear: The majority of them remain committed to that position, even if Trump is the presumptive nominee. Fifty-seven out of 77 respondents identified as “never Trump,” and 68 percent of those said that means never “no matter what.”

(Another 18 percent said they were “never Trump” only during the primary, and 14 percent said they were never Trump “as long as he maintains his current positions/behavior.”)

The other clear point: The never-means-never Trump opponents are passionate in their objections, and many share a common concern: They don’t trust the candidate.

When WORLD invited participants to elaborate on the record about whether a Trump pledge of a pro-life Supreme Court pick could convince them to vote for the candidate, 16 responded. Only one said he would vote for Trump.

Jim Garlow, pastor of Skyline Church near San Diego and an active player in conservative politics, said he was adamantly opposed to Trump in the primary, but had always said he would vote for him if he became the nominee: “And I will.” Garlow said Supreme Court picks are “THE single most important issue.”

The other 15 respondents unanimously said they wouldn’t trust Trump to keep a pledge.

Karen Swallow Prior is an English professor at Liberty University, where President Jerry Falwell Jr. endorsed Trump for the GOP nomination in January. Prior said a Trump pledge on a Supreme Court pick wouldn’t persuade her to vote for Trump: “I haven’t seen any reason to believe any promises he makes.”

Luke Macias, a conservative political consultant in Texas, answered: “The question assumes you can take Trump at his word. The assumption requires naïveté.”

Will Trump make an effort to reach evangelicals in the coming months? Apparently not all of them. After Russell Moore of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention publicly criticized Trump, the candidate tweeted Moore was “a nasty guy with no heart.”

Moore agreed. “I am a nasty guy with no heart,” he told NBC’s Meet the Press. “Which is why I need forgiveness of sins and redemption through the gospel of Jesus Christ.”

Listen to WORLD Radio’s Kent Covington discuss this month’s survey with WORLD editor in chief Marvin Olasky.

WORLD’s survey of evangelical leaders and insiders

The complete results from the May 11 survey, which received responses from 77 survey participants.

1. If you’re a “never Trump” person, what does that mean?

Never Trump no matter what, 50.6%, 39

Never Trump only during the primary, 13.0%, 10

Never Trump as long as he maintains his current positions/behavior, 10.4%, 8

Skipped question, 26.0%, 20

2. Is there a vice presidential pick that would make you vote for Donald Trump?

Yes, 36.4%, 28

No, 57.1%, 44

Skipped question, 6.5%, 5

3. Who should Trump pick as his vice presidential running mate?

Marco Rubio, 12.1%, 9.3

Don’t care/doesn’t matter, 11.7%, 9.0

Ted Cruz, 8.9%, 6.8

Newt Gingrich, 5.8%, 4.5

Nikki Haley, 3.0%, 2.3

Bernie Sanders, 2.6%, 2.0

Susana Martinez, 2.2%, 1.7

Ben Sasse, 1.9%, 1.5

Chris Christie, 1.7%, 1.3

Ken Blackwell, 1.3%, 1.0

Bozo the Clown, 1.3%, 1.0

Gary Busey, 1.3%, 1.0

Caligula, 1.3%, 1.0

Hillary Clinton, 1.3%, 1.0

Governor or Congress member from a swing state, 1.3%, 1.0

John Kasich, 1.3%, 1.0

Russell Moore, 1.3%, 1.0

Sarah Palin, 1.3%, 1.0

Rick Perry, 1.3%, 1.0

Condoleezza Rice, 1.3%, 1.0

Paul Ryan, 1.3%, 1.0

Satan, 1.3%, 1.0

Allen West, 1.3%, 1.0

Kanye West, 1.3%, 1.0

Scott Walker, 1.1%, 0.8

Carly Fiorina, 0.4%, 0.3

Rudy Giuliani, 0.4%, 0.3

Skipped question, 28.6%, 22

4. If Trump pledged to nominate a strong pro-life justice to the Supreme Court, would you consider voting for him?

Yes, 46.8%, 36

No, 50.6%, 39

Skipped question, 2.6%, 2

5. Since Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are the presumptive nominees of the major parties, would you support a conservative third-party challenger?

Yes, on principle, even if the candidate had no chance to win, 45.5%, 35

Yes, but only if the candidate had a chance to win, 28.6%, 22

No, I would vote for Trump, 20.8%, 16

No, I would vote for Clinton, 1.3%, 1

Skipped question, 3.9%, 3

6. What are the top three issues you will consider when selecting a candidate? (Please check only three.)

Abortion, 57.1%, 44

Religious freedom (domestic), 55.8%, 43

Supreme Court nominations, 49.4%, 38

National security/terrorism, 28.6%, 22

Economy/jobs, 19.5%, 15

Foreign policy, 15.6%, 12

Marriage and family issues, 15.6%, 12

Immigration, 9.1%, 7

Federal debt/deficit, 6.5%, 5

Poverty, 5.2%, 4

Religious freedom (international), 5.2%, 4

Candidate civility, 3.9%, 3

Healthcare/Affordable Care Act, 2.6%, 2

Race relations, 1.3%, 1

Taxes, 1.3%, 1

Crime, 0.0%, 0

Education, 0.0%, 0

Environment/pollution, 0.0%, 0

Skipped question, 6.5%, 5

Comments

  •  Brendan Bossard's picture
    Brendan Bossard
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    @Anyone afraid that a third-party vote is a vote for Clinton:  if your conscience allows--nay, requires--you to vote for Trump in the general election, then go for it!  I do not stand in judgment of you for it.  I just ask that you return the favor to your brethren who will not vote for Trump, pursuant to Romans 14.  Don't call them "irresponsible" or mock their concern with stupid retorts.Speaking of which, I note a false calculus in what appears to be the main argument for voting for Trump in the general election:  we know what is behind the Clinton door; we do not know what is behind the Trump door.  This is false because it assumes that there is nothing beyond political issues.  But there is a moral dimension that the Christian cannot ignore.  When we look beyond the political to the moral, then we know that perdition lay beyond both doors.  God guarantees this in the history of ancient Israel, in which He states over and over again that the nation follows the moral path of its leader.  Since both Clinton and Trump are moral reprobates, we know that both will lead us down the wrong moral path.  This is God's word to us.Now, I fear God more than I fear a Clinton or Sanders presidency.  Therefore, I plan to write "God" in for president, and vote for as many other good candidates in other positions as possible.  I am also going to encourage my brethren who are not sure what to do to do the same.  This is what my conscience is telling me to do.

  • whodat's picture
    whodat
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    I consider voting for a person based of three criteria:  character, core political philosophy and capability to perform.  Based on these there is still no way I could vote for either Hilary Clinton or Donald Trump.  So, it is either a third party nominee, a write-in, or non-participation.  Which is best? 

  • Lizzy's picture
    Lizzy
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    FreedomInTejas,Thank you for pointing me to the right passage.  And I agree with you that it really is the pro Trump people who are likely setting themselves up for a very disappointing sacrifice, probably in the form of giving up some of our liberties for the sake of his deals.  Just as Jephthah's vow was to offer in advance to sacrifice something unknown in return for victory, the pro Trump voters seem to be willing to sacrifice the known for the unknown in hopes that Trump's vision of a great America will be the same as theirs.

  • Lizzy's picture
    Lizzy
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    William E,For my husband, it was the day of the primary where Trump smeared Ted Cruz's father with the National Enquirer story which Trump later admitted he knew was a total lie.  For me, it is his lengthy list of lies, smears, willingness to abuse the constitution in the same manner Obama has, lack of understanding about the role of the judiciary, his statements supporting and not supporting the issues I care about (his support for traditional marriage is tepid at best and he has made it plain he will not fight for it), his intemperance (which is down right scary when you think about the fact that he would be the public face of the US when it comes to dealing with other nations in what has become a very volatile international community and he would be the one with access to the red button), his stated desire to do away with parts of the first amendment, his utter lack of coherency in terms of a concrete agenda (this week alone he has walked back on his own tax policy and has stated that all of his positions are merely starting points in negotiating deals), his utter disdain and desire to smear anyone who disagrees with him (including Christian leaders), his statements that he is a conservative when it is plain he isn't, his utter lack of humility (no need to ask for forgiveness when he has bragged about committing adultery?), his history of lawsuits and trying to pay people who did work for him less than he contracted for and the list could go on.  It is hard to pick just one when there are so many reasons but the first would probably be when he started on the lying Ted meme knowing it was not true and then continued to smear Cruz and mock his faith as being insincere - the whole holding the Bible up and then saying Cruz dishonored it by being a liar stunt that he used over and over again.  The original story was weak at best as the story originated with CNN, but to have Trump spend the rest of the campaign always referring to Cruz as lying Ted when Trump was the one who lied repeatedly was a bridge too far.  In short, do a little research and he comes across as an amoral, narcissistic bully willing to do or say anything as long as he gets his way and his way will be about what benefits Donald Trump.  We have had eight years of someone who fits the same profile in many ways, someone who ran on hope and change and caring for the average person and yet governed in a far left manner that has hurt our country as a whole.  Donald Trump is also running on hope and change and given his history I expect the outcome would be similar to what we have gotten with Obama.  This election could be the pivotal one which sets us firmly on the path to ending our nation's original design of a constitutional republic, but I don't have to vote for one of the two people who think that is a good thing.  And just because one of the candidates is clearly immoral and unfit to be President doesn't mean I have to vote for the other candidate who is equally immoral and unfit to be President.

  • William E
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    Genuine, sincere question for people never willing to vote for Trump.  What single thing  did Trump  do or say that  pushed you to the point of not voting for
    him?  What line did he cross that made him  lose your support?

  • BosLarJazz's picture
    BosLarJazz
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    @Fin - We must have the same reading list! The parallels are uncanny. The only way we will see our way through this is to follow Christ, daily, prayerfully, and trust His leading. I'll be praying and fasting both before and on election day when I head out to vote. I'm not optimistic about the outcome either way it falls, but I believe God will expose all of us, even non-believers to see how great our sin is and how greatly we need to repent. Just as Bonhoeffer's life yielded insights and blessings despite it's hardships, God multiplied his impact in the face of great opposition. We need more Christ followers like him who "Put not your trust in princes, in a son of man, in whom there is no salvation." (Psalm 146:3). Vote I will. For who, I do not yet know, but anyone who wants to accuse me being responsible for giving the race to Clinton if I don't vote Trump needs to take that up with my boss.

  •  austinbeartux's picture
    austinbeartux
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    Genuine, sincere question for people willing to vote for Trump.  What would Trump have to do or say to push you to the point of not voting for him?  What's the line that if he crossed, he'd lose your support?

  • Uff Da's picture
    Uff Da
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    When I vote for someone, I am saying, "I approve of this person holding that office."I do not approve of either candidate holding the office of President of the United States.  I would not hire either of them to run my company, let alone the country.So for the first time in 30 years of voting, I will cast a vote for every office on the ballot except President.

  •  FreedomInTejas's picture
    FreedomInTejas
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    Lizzy, MT Janet is referring to the account of Jephthah's tragic vow (Judges 11).  However,  MT Janet's comparison to those who vow "never Trump" falls flat.  The ones who are making the hasty vow and  likely setting themselves up for a very disappointing sacrifice are those professing Christians proclaiming, "Only Trump! Trump 2016! Make American great again!"

  • Lizzy's picture
    Lizzy
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    MT Janet,Could you provide the reference for the Biblical story you cited?  Thanks.

  • Lizzy's picture
    Lizzy
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    So to sum up what those supporting Trump seem to be saying, God wants us to vote for a godless man who claims he has never committed a sin requiring forgiveness, someone who lied about, slandered and ridiculed decent men in pursuit of the nomination (and who is continuing his smear campaign - example Russell Moore), a narcissistic bully with all the verbal self- control of a young child and who has already begun walking back on some of his more conservative positions now that he believes he has crushed the opposition.  All I can say is, huh?  Quoting Joshua 1:7 and Romans 9:17 don't seem to me to be even relevant.  In the first, God is commanding the Israelites to do all that he commanded - I don't see how that means we must vote for an unrepentant non Christian.  Romans 9 where Paul is referring to God hardening Pharoah's heart that he might show His power - it didn't exactly go well with the Egyptians did it?  And Israel was saved by God's providence and his servant Moses, not because the Israelites had put Pharoah in power (remember they had been slaves in Egypt).  God is sovereign and His Will will be done, but our part as Christians, it would seem to me, would be to stand up for what is just and true according to God and to live our lives in accordance with what He has revealed to us in Scripture.  This would include holding to what is good and true in our decision making and trusting Him to walk with us no matter the outcome.  Yes if God allows Trump to win the presidency Trump will be responsible to God for how he governs and those who elect him will be responsible for how they voted.  The same could be said of Hitler.  Just because God allows or ordains events due to our hardheartedness doesn't mean everyone has to follow the crowd off the cliff and doesn't make it right to support the march to the cliff.  And that is how I see this choice, we are going to fall off the cliff into a cesspool of immorality no matter which liberal democrat we elect: Clinton or Trump.  By falling in line behind Trump while he is saying negative things about conservative Christians and their positions it could be argued you are in effect encouraging him that those positions aren't that important.  For those who think he can make all right by putting Ted Cruz on the Supreme Court - that is highly unlikely to happen.  What is much more likely is that he might nominate Cruz, who will be voted down by the democratic Senate a Trump nomination is likely to give us, and then Mr. Art of the Deal will nominate someone far more liberal saying he just couldn't close the deal with a conservative nominee.Voting never Trump is only a vote for Hillary if you refuse to see that there are other choices.  Granted the odds look much slimmer when you vote third party, but this might be one of those times when a party begins to die and a new party takes its place.  Or maybe we will end up with a minority party that can at least provide a platform to explain why returning to our constitutional principles would ultimately benefit the entire population and keep the country from the totalitarianism inherent in modern progressive thought.  With God all things are possible and perhaps this is the start of a period of time when it is necessary for Christians to take a courageous stand for what is good and true and just.  A time for Christians to remember to trust God more than man and to not follow the siren call of men who will promise much that isn't in their ability to deliver.  And definitely a time to not give our support to someone who has broken just about every commandment because we think that will ultimately bring honor to God.  The passage that keeps coming to mind everytime I think about Trump and whether it would be morally acceptable to support someone so untrustworthy is, 2 Timothy 3: 1-9.  And that stops me from being able to support Trump at this time.  It would take God performing a miracle in who Trump is for me to consider him qualified to be the leader of the free world.  Miracles can happen so I won't totally discount the possibility, but miracles could happen between now and the convention and God could spare us having to make this heart-rending choice.  There is still a slim chance that another candidate might end up being the nominee.Lastly, for those bullying others about their never Trump vote.  Please remember the passages in the Bible where we are exhorted not to cause a brother to stumble.  Just because you may have already made your decision and decided Trump is the best option doesn't mean all Christians are on board with that.  And by claiming that one can't really be a Christian and abstain from voting in this election or voting third party, you may be causing a fellow believer to go against what they believe is the godly decision.  Romans 14:4

  • Cyborg3's picture
    Cyborg3
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    I will say this my brothers and sisters in Christ. You are acting like fools if you don't vote for Trump - warts and all. We know exactly what Hillary Clinton will give us if she is elected. She will shut down our Christian liberties which well may include our churches after she puts in her judges. Christians will be forced to support homosexuality, with the risk of losing their jobs, businesses, and churches. Economically, we will be destroyed and the plot to dominate elections by bringing in illegal aliens will continue. Don't be foolish but go out and vote Trump, even if you get sick doing it! Better that than an evil Hillary

  • Marilyn Jean
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    To Fin, I too have read Bonhoeffer's "Cost of Discipleship"  I don't know if he wrote this before he was in prison.  The Third Reich put him in prison because he was part of a group conspiring to assassinate Hitler.  They could never prove this reality, but they hung him just before the end of the war anyway.  Check out Eric Metaxas: Bonhoeffer, Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy.  He was very much involved and engaged in the resistance.  The whole Luthern Church bought into Hitler's line, but Bonhoeffer saw him for who he was.  Some today have likened Trump to Hitler, but if you read the lives of both of them, there is no comparison.

  • Wayne52
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    It is difficult to comprehend that our choices are coming down to two deceivers that have provided clear evidence that they cannot be trusted on any issues.  I believe they are being driven by the greatest deceiver of all, Satan.  Over the last hundred years or so, Christian Americans have done more to spread the gospel to every part of the world than any country in history.  Stands to reason that we have been and will continue to be in his crosshairs for destruction.  Our society, and even many in the church, have been willing participants in the compromising of our rights and biblical principals, which this country was founded on.  The prominence of an overt focus on self, the wide spread moral decay, and the abandonment of fiscal prudence is accelerating, so no matter who is sitting in the White House the seeds of the fatal end to the relevance of America that have been sown are now in full bloom.  I am so thankful that my hope is not in this world.  This gives me such peace, even in the midst of sadly watching the wonderful American experiment unravel.  In the last year I have been holding tightly to Proverbs 3:5-6, Trust in the Lord with ALL your heart, and lean not to your own understanding. In ALL your ways acknowledge Him, and He will direct your path.  Come what may, I know where to put my trust and I am confident that He will protect and guide me through these turbulent times.

  • MTJanet
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    I'm very uncomfortable with the "never Trump" crowd.  It reminds me of the Old Testament story of the man so sadly making a dumb vow and then being stuck with sacrificing his daughter.  We simply need to be wise at this time and watch and pray.  I am not concerned about who I am voting for in Nov. today - why should I be?  Too much can happen between now and then. 

  • Laura G
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    I agree those three items are extremely important issues, but I am also very concerned about Trump's lack of diplomacy.  He may or may not fulfill pledges that are conservative, but regardless, I am concerned about him being our Commander in Chief. It seems that every day he says something unnecessarily undiplomatic, if not outright incendiary.  If our own people feel inclined to riot now when he is not even yet our president, what does that suggest might happen internationally?

  • Nat Manzanita
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    I sympathize with the 'vote for a third party is a vote for Hillary' comments. Without disagreeing with the fundamental point, however, I must remark that it is mathematically equivalent only to half a vote for Hillary. To see why, imagine (improbably) that there is a moment during the voting were Trump is ahead of Hillary by 1000 votes, and the remaining voters are exactly split between 'plan to vote for Trump' and 'plan to vote for Hillary'. Hillary can win if she persuades 500 former Trump supporters to vote for her. But if she cannot persuade any of them, her only hope is that some Trump supporters will switch to a third party candidate, and she will not win unless a full thousand of them do so.My personal view: Hillary will win by a landslide no matter what I do, but I'm not too concerned. The next 4 years are going to be disastrous no matter which of the two we elect. So let it be Hillary's disaster. That will put us in a better position to work on picking up the pieces in 2020.

  • Marilyn Jean
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    To all those who consider that a third party is the answer: A third party is a vote for Hillary.  We owe our children and grandchildren a better America than that.

  • LindaLouWest's picture
    LindaLouWest
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    Jamie, I would like to know what rubric or characteristics you use to select evangelical insiders for your surveys, and if you then send  out surveys in some random fashion? I would enjoy seeing an article about how World does this type of background journalism.  I think the survey as a whole was very interesting, in the serious choice of questions and the overall results. It is the first time in the News that I have seen some of my own opinions reflected.I was sad to see that contributors wouldn't take the write in question seriously, my husband and some of my FB friends certainly are considering that option.

  • Fin's picture
    Fin
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    I've been reading "The Cost of Discipleship," by Dietrich Bonhoeffer. It's surprising how closely the time of its writing parallels ours. Powerful personalities, mass propaganda, and increasing hostility to orthodox Christianity. In spite of all the compelling distractions, Bonhoeffer's solution is to concentrate on the person of Jesus Christ, His words, and His revealed will for His disciples. Apparently, to Bonhoeffer, discipleship is a full time occupation of the whole person, leaving little time to ponder the political future. If God is in control - and I believe He is - our concentration on Him and our sincere desire to conform our thoughts and hearts to His ought to remove all worry over the future.

  • HoosierGuy
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    First, let me say that Trump was my last choice in the primary. That said, let's reason together. If the majority of evangelicals said the three most important factors in their voting are abortion, religious freedom and Supreme Court nominations what should they do? Understand that a vote for Hillary - or not voting for Trump - will give the worst possible results for all three of these. There is, of course, uncertainty about what Trump would do, but in no case could he do worse. And at least he has a degree of good experience in running large organizations. Hillary's experience is all bad and corrupt. On a scale of 1 to 100, Hillary is a zero and Trump is, perhaps, a 40. If you don't vote, you settle for a zero.

  • Bill Taylor
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    If nominations go as expected, "Never Trump" is a vote for Hillary, a known crook.  I sympathize with their being underjoyed at the prospects on offer - it has been a long time since I voted FOR a president as opposed to voting against - but whom would they prefer?This blog post "Boaty McBoatface and the Rise of Trump" at http://www.scragged.com/articles/boaty-mcboatface-and-the-rise-of-trump shows how the Wall Street Journal, perhaps without meaning to, explained the Trump phenomenon in very few words.

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    Shepherd
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    Jamie, Your article is a pretty good description of the current upside-down political scene. I've followed the race from the start and have seen some potentially great leaders as well as some pretenders. Instead of intelligently discerning God's will, the majority of evangelicals as well as American citizens, are so mad at Obama, that they see electing Trump as the only  way to get back at him. Whenever a mob is moving on emotions like that, the last thing they want to get in the way are the facts. The facts are: Trump is "winging it", just like Obama did. His policy has been: whatever he's feeling at the time and it's usually belligerant or sexual. Now that he has the nomination, any remaining guardedness will no doubt fade away.  His background as a liberal, pro-choice, democrat will surface. I believe that's why a number of democrats have said they will vote for Trump if Bernie doesn't get the nomination. In Trump we have a Populist, not a conservative with Christian values. So what do we do? The only way I can see voting for him is if he surrounds himself with experts in each field of  endeavor; like John Bolton as Sec. of State, Dr. Ben Carson as Sec of HHS, Ted Cruz as Supreme Court justice, Chris Christy as Attorney General, Jon Kasich for OBM, Marco Rubio as Sec. of Defense etc. This way people could see what direction he's going and have more confidence in voting for him.  

  • Searcher
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    Concerning whether or not to vote for Trump, Marilyn Jean says it well.  All I know is that The Lord is permitting this outcome for a reason....we do not see the big picture.  Trump will be answerable to The Lord for how he governs.  All I know is that he has been surrounded by evangelicals who support him and my prayer is that these evangelicals have been presenting the gospel to him.  Praying that the seed planted will grow and bare fruit.  Also, not only is there the issue of supreme court appointees, but also that of abortion.  Understand that Hillary is for abortion up until almost birth, whereas Trump is currently against abortion.  Thus a vote for Trump is a vote hoping that he will continue to stand against abortion.  All I know is that The Lord has given me the privilege of living in a country where I have the privilege to vote.  Therefore, by the Grace of God I will use that vote to fight for the unborn.

  •  austinbeartux's picture
    austinbeartux
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    In light of Ecclesiastes 3:1-8, there is a time for everything.  I've begun to mourn the fall of the US.  The train has gone over the cliff, but the folks in the back of the train don't realize it yet.  They're partying like the folks on the Titanic just before they hit the iceberg because they didn't see it coming.  Does it matter whether the Democrats or Republicans are in charge when we're $20T in debt (not to mention all the other forms of unfunded liabilities found here: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)? Short-term, medium-term, and long-term, my trust and hope is in Jesus.  Politically however, I've switched to the Constitution Party found here: http://constitutionparty.com.  People will say I'm wasting my vote, and I can see why they'd say that.  However, my conscience will not let me vote for Trump or give my allegiance to the Republican Party.

  • doc327hank
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    To William E and Marilyn Jean.Way back in maybe New Hampshire primary time, I said that if Trump were to win he probably would be impeached within a year or so.  That was based on his apparent lack of understanding of the 3 parts in the Constitution.   He might not be impeached (he's getting some experienced folks now), but I would not bet against that, but  as this movement being a temporary one or not,  I think you have it wrong.  .What do you think is the basis of this "movement"?  Is it "Trumpism"  or something other than a personality?  I do not see any "principles" that bind this "movement" , just a personality.  And after Trump leaves the political stage, sometime in the next decade or next year,  the current Republican party will patch together one or more political parties, without The Donald's help.

  • doc327hank
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    After hearing an interview with a person who has known The Donald for many years, I said "well maybe"  Then came the NC bathroom blowup and a few other thing. I had to retract that statement..For decades I have often had to chose  the least bad of two or more bad. .  So I ask, "Which is the least bad?"  This is like choosing between Mussolini and N. Khrushchev. .It is left to the reader to find correspondence between the historical figures  and the current presumptive nominees, assuming there is a correspondence.

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    Richard H
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    Conservative Christians abdicated their responsibilities and began imposing their own exile back in the mid 1800s when they handed over responsibility for raising their children to the State's anti-Christian education system and the Christian clerics accepted the heretical secular/sacred split and washed their hands of the secular world.  We are now reaping a much fuller crop of what we have sown.  Throwing away the election to a Hillary or Bernie is shear national and cultural suicide.  It would be wise to see what the Republican plank consists of before terminating this nation and to learn what Trump consists of other than what we get from the lame stream media.  Ben Carson's observation that the real Trump behind the scenes is a different person than what we are exposed to on the TV is worth considering. 

  • BBowen
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    A choice between Trump and Hillary is no choice. It's like a choosing between brain cancer and Parkinson's. A culture that will elect Trump (or Obama, or Hillary, or Sanders) is a culture in very deep decline. Both of our current candidates think that they can fix things by administering more of the same poison that got us here. Conservatives Christians are exiles in their own country.

  • midwestmom
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    Marilyn and William,Yes, well said. All I know is God is working. It may not be the way some Evangelicals are planning for. God can display his power in leaders we least suspect, in ways we least expect,  to proclaim His name in all the earth. Romans 9:17.  He is Sovereign!

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    Buddy
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    Trump has an extreme rudeness, impulsiveness and a
    non-Christian past that I can’t overcome to vote for him. At this point I will
    write in Ted Cruz even with him having no chance to win. Ted has the experience
    and past that I can trust. Right now I find no difference in the choice of the
    two parties.

    For those Christians who voted for Trump because of the economy,
    I remind you.
    But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these
    things shall be added unto you. Matthew 6:33 (KJV

  • William E
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    @Marilyn Jean: It is good to know there are some fellow clear thinking Christians around in these difficult times, even if it is a minority. People are so used to getting the same baloney from "responsible"  and "non-offensive" entrenched politicians that they actually start to believe their rhetoric. This is not to say that Trump doesn't use rhetoric or hyperbole in his speeches but you really have to ask yourself "what is his motive"?  He doesn't need a job, he doesn't need the money; he doesn't need the fame; and you might think he is on a power trip but I truly believe he wants to "Make America Great Again" a sentiment that s I am sure most of us readers have also.  If you are able to put that in context with this nasty  low road presidential campaign; the whole thing makes a lot of sense.  If you can't do that and can't participate in what is becoming the "new face" of the GOP - it probably is better to sit this and future elections out.  But don't look forward to getting back in because this movement will  not be a temporary one. 

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    FreedomInTejas
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    @ Marilyn Jean"This is so irresponsible of the evangelistic community...", especially those who voted for Trump in the primary. Prepare to be disappointed with your idols, whether they be "evangelical" leaders or political narcissists. Trump has clearly communicated he is self-sufficient and needs not the support of those who require depth of character and humility in a leader.   If God wants Trump to president, He is perfectly capable of arranging that without me trampling on conscience and losing my sense of shame. "But if not..."

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    Spankie597
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    We are not "sitting this one out" just because we will not vote for the liberal who is now the main face of the GOP. We will actively fight against what he stands for and support the principals that actually matter by voting for a third party or voting for conservatives not running for President. What I believe in is not reliant on Trump and I will vote to defend those principals against him.

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    West Coast Gramma
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    I'm poised and ready to write in a reasonable alternative to Trump and Hilary. Please, suggestions someone.

  • Marilyn Jean
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    This is so irresponsible of the evangelistic community - it appears that they are sticking their head in the sand like they did with Mitt Romney.  What kind of a God do they worship?  One who wants our involvement or one that says, "No, you are allowed to set this one out."  I don't think so.  Joshua 1:7  Praise God for people like Jerry Falwell, Jr, Franklin Graham, and Dr. Ben Carson who take this election very seriously.  How are we going to be salt and light if we fail to be involved?  What is the future of our children and grandchildren?  We should concern ourselves with who Mr. Trump picks for advisors, but if God allows this man to be in the office, for our discipline or our blessing, we should be most interested not only in the judges for the Supreme Court, but every other cabinet position and advisory position available.  WE CANNOT SET THIS ONE OUT!

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    FreedomInTejas
    Posted: Wed, 06/08/2016 11:33 pm

    We just need 6,943 more like the fifty-seven.